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Title: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Drooke on June 08, 2012, 10:26:26 AM
(https://p.twimg.com/Au2KIScCEAERAKz.jpg)

Nike Pride T-shirts now being sold....100% of the proceeds going to www.AthleteAlly.com

About Athlete Ally

Our Story
 
Hudson Taylor founded Athlete Ally in January of 2011. An athlete all his life, Hudson experienced demeaning humor in high school and college athletics, but befriended LGBT people when studying theater and Interactive Performance Art at the University of Maryland. Seeing the juxtaposition between the theatre department and the locker room, Hudson felt it was imperative that he confront a side of sports that no athlete should be proud of: sports marginalize LGBT athletes, coaches and others through systemic homophobia and transphobia. Hudson decided that he could no longer watch from the sidelines as his athletic culture isolated and segregated LGBT athletes and betrayed the integrity and diversity at the heart of athletics.

 When Hudson wore an LGBT equality sticker from the Human Rights Campaign on his wrestling headgear, he encountered criticism from his peers, but received positive attention from the media. Following his presence in the media, Hudson received hundreds of emails from parents and closeted athletes. This experience inspired him to found this non-for-profit organization, with the mission of educating, encouraging and empowering straight athlete allies to combat homophobia and transphobia in sports.
 
Our Mission
 
ATHLETE ALLY is a 501(c)3 nonprofit sports resource encouraging all individuals involved in sports to respect every member of their communities, regardless of perceived or actual sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression, and to lead others in doing the same. Athlete Ally provides social advocacy campaigns, on-campus trainings and practical tools including resources to locate and learn about allied athletes, coaches, teams, athletic clubs and sports-based advocacy projects around the country.
 
Who is an Athlete Ally?
 
An Athlete Ally is any person — regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity — who takes a stand against homophobia and transphobia in sports and brings the message of respect, inclusion and equality to their athletic community. Athlete Allies include competitive and recreational athletes as well as coaches, parents, teachers, league officials, sports fans, other sports participants and advocates.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: vaisforlovers on June 08, 2012, 11:15:16 AM
I want one.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: buck on June 08, 2012, 11:42:59 AM
Just looks like any old T-Shirt.  What's the deal?
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Jason Bryant on June 08, 2012, 11:47:58 AM
Honestly, wrestling is a more important thing to me than gay rights, so I don't care if Nike is on the AthleteAlly train, they still screwed wrestling over something fierce and won't admit their folly.

I will always and forever boycott Nike until they bring back wrestling at Oregon.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: AKIN on June 08, 2012, 11:50:01 AM
Agreed!!
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Rockhard on June 08, 2012, 12:11:36 PM
Thats where I'm at too. Plus, their product sucks and is way overpriced.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Jason Bryant on June 08, 2012, 12:38:29 PM
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blnike.htm
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Rockhard on June 08, 2012, 12:44:37 PM
LOL good stuff.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: ViseGrip on June 08, 2012, 01:00:34 PM
No.... it is NOT time to lift the ban. And Taylor should take his crusade to a different shoe company.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: brycemus on June 08, 2012, 02:47:03 PM
their gear is crap. the shirts tear in the armpits and shoes blow out the bottoms word
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: herbp on June 08, 2012, 04:13:52 PM
 Mother Fxxx NIKE .
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Wire on June 08, 2012, 05:15:30 PM
Honestly, wrestling is a more important thing to me than gay rights, so I don't care if Nike is on the AthleteAlly train, they still screwed wrestling over something fierce and won't admit their folly.

I will always and forever boycott Nike until they bring back wrestling at Oregon.

WOW !!!!

Is this USA Wrestling's position as well???


 
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: ocianain on June 08, 2012, 05:20:35 PM
What is this "homophobia" I read about above. People are scared of people? What's that all about?
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Bob H. on June 08, 2012, 05:48:55 PM
Is "transphobia" being scared of someone from Transylvania?
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: NDKnowledge on June 08, 2012, 06:32:33 PM
Is "transphobia" being scared of someone from Transylvania?

No, it's a fear of trans fat... that stuff could cause you to not make weight! that's why all the food packaging says "no trans fat" so you don't have to be afraid of eating it.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Hardcore on June 08, 2012, 07:39:57 PM
Nike continues to produce overpriced crap. Ban or no ban I will never buy their products.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: get the fall on June 08, 2012, 07:41:59 PM
Honestly, wrestling is a more important thing to me than gay rights, so I don't care if Nike is on the AthleteAlly train, they still screwed wrestling over something fierce and won't admit their folly.

I will always and forever boycott Nike until they bring back wrestling at Oregon.

WOW !!!!

Is this USA Wrestling's position as well???

Did he say that it was USA wrestlings position? NO!!! JB said "wrestling is a more important thing to me". Don't try and blow this out of proportion. Let the man have his opinion.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: ocianain on June 08, 2012, 08:07:03 PM
Anybody besides me think the fashions shown in the first post look gay?! What's with that?
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Rockhard on June 08, 2012, 08:17:38 PM
Most Nike stuff looks stupid. And when I mean stupid, I mean stupid and garbage. 
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Jason Bryant on June 08, 2012, 10:56:47 PM
Wrestling is my life, it's my job and my hobby.

I have a few gay friends ... that's the extent of my interest in that issue. It doesn't affect me, so I don't care about it. That's a personal opinion.

USA Wrestling does not and will not discriminate. The company position is much different than my own. I honestly don't care. I'm against hate crimes and things of the like, but when it comes to siding with Nike or not siding with Nike -- wrestling wins.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: AKIN on June 08, 2012, 10:59:08 PM
Nicely stated, JB.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Cruocified on June 09, 2012, 12:18:06 AM
Wearing this to the TOM party in Des Moines for sure.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: vaisforlovers on June 09, 2012, 08:47:10 AM
Wrestling is my life, it's my job and my hobby.

I have a few gay friends ... that's the extent of my interest in that issue. It doesn't affect me, so I don't care about it. That's a personal opinion.

USA Wrestling does not and will not discriminate. The company position is much different than my own. I honestly don't care. I'm against hate crimes and things of the like, but when it comes to siding with Nike or not siding with Nike -- wrestling wins.
Dang, against hate crimes?  Way to be bold.
The struggle for gay peopple is not just "hate crimes". The fact that they do not have equal rights and face many different types of discrimination is the crux of the issue.  I think I love wrestling more than most, but it doesnt mean I love people less.. 
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: krippler on June 09, 2012, 12:33:03 PM
Honestly, wrestling is a more important thing to me than gay rights, so I don't care if Nike is on the AthleteAlly train, they still screwed wrestling over something fierce and won't admit their folly.

I will always and forever boycott Nike until they bring back wrestling at Oregon.

What happened with Nike & Oregon?
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Rockhard on June 09, 2012, 12:45:55 PM
I tell you what, when gay folk stop chopping up people and eating them, I'll care a little more about their rights. That goes for straight people too.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: The Du on June 09, 2012, 12:47:10 PM
wait, so because Nike started a non-profit supporting LGBT, im now supposed to feel ok with buying their products?

 ::)

whatever. gimme a break.

don't turn this against JB. i completely agree with him and won't be buying nike either until they do something other for the sport than make money off of it.

hate away!
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Jason Bryant on June 09, 2012, 12:55:26 PM
Issue doesn't impact me or my family in day to day life. Why should Nike embracing a worthy but personally minimal cause make me end my boycott on a company like Nike?  I mean it's pretty lame to chastise me for not caring about an issue which has zero direct impact on me. I mean I don't care about poaching ... because I don't hunt. Strike me down now for not caring about animals, too

Vais,
I know what the crux of the big issue is ... none of it has anything to do with Nike or wrestling.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: TobusRex on June 09, 2012, 01:05:21 PM
Honestly, wrestling is a more important thing to me than gay rights, so I don't care if Nike is on the AthleteAlly train, they still screwed wrestling over something fierce and won't admit their folly.

I will always and forever boycott Nike until they bring back wrestling at Oregon.

Just curious...what did Nike do to wrestling? Not calling you a liar Jason, but I don't understand what Nike did.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: The Du on June 09, 2012, 01:10:19 PM
http://awn.theopenmat.com/2012/03/we-have-not-forgot-nike/
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: vaisforlovers on June 09, 2012, 01:50:30 PM
Issue doesn't impact me or my family in day to day life. Why should Nike embracing a worthy but personally minimal cause make me end my boycott on a company like Nike?  I mean it's pretty lame to chastise me for not caring about an issue which has zero direct impact on me. I mean I don't care about poaching ... because I don't hunt. Strike me down now for not caring about animals, too

Vais,
I know what the crux of the big issue is ... none of it has anything to do with Nike or wrestling.

I suppose it's not really about the Nike brand for me, it's the thinking that since "gay rights doesn't affect me personally, so I don't care"  What if everyone felt like that, and only cared about those who are directly impacted by something?  It's not too revolutionary to think of others in need.  I really have not been directly affected by homosexuality in any way, but that doesn't mean I want them discriminated against.  It's about recognizing when something is bigger than the sport, imo. 

Buy the shirt or not, I guess that's not really the point for me.  It's more the small-minded thinking and only caring about yourself that bothered me I guess.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Jason Bryant on June 09, 2012, 01:58:14 PM
I have plenty other things to think about. I think calling me small minded without any semblance of an idea of what I do, think or care about is equally small minded. I didn't say every issue which doesn't affect me is moot in my life, but this one is. it's not an issue that impacts me ... so I'm small minded because I direct thoughts, time and resources to issues which have greater impact directly on my life?

I don't have an opinion on everything nor do I have a stance on everything and that's my right

This is exactly why I don't talk politics, religion or anything of the like. The opportunity for people to judge you based on nothing else than a minor opinion is too great and has no legit sample size.

Bottom line on this tread is simple: Nike did something for gay rights. Great. Nike screwed wrestling. more relevant to what I'm interested in. Nike still sucks.

Don't put words in my mouth or try to make yourself look better than anyone else. it's childish and again, why I don't talk politics.

And I can't help but be offended at you assuming I don't care about others in need. That's pretty piss poor to say about someone when you have NO IDEA about what needy causes I contribute towards. Do you know?

No, you're not my accountant do you couldn't know what causes I donate thousands of dollars to annually

I think about others in need everyday. But you don't know that. So I'm not a pioneer for gay rights ... I guess that makes me a bad person because it's clear based on one opinion of mine that I dont care about others

Seriously jacked up man, seriously. Next time you say someone doesn't think of others, talk to their accountant or the volunteer coordinator at Feed My Starving Children ...

Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: fuhr on June 09, 2012, 03:03:12 PM
I'm curious why VAis, is even posting on a wrestling message board.  What with all he could be doing for gay rights with his time instead of being here.  I'm guessing an afternoon spent canvassing a neighborhood would be time better spent for someone who is so obviously concerned with the rights of others. 



Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: vaisforlovers on June 09, 2012, 04:06:47 PM
I have plenty other things to think about. I think calling me small minded without any semblance of an idea of what I do, think or care about is equally small minded. I didn't say every issue which doesn't affect me is moot in my life, but this one is. it's not an issue that impacts me ... so I'm small minded because I direct thoughts, time and resources to issues which have greater impact directly on my life?

I don't have an opinion on everything nor do I have a stance on everything and that's my right

This is exactly why I don't talk politics, religion or anything of the like. The opportunity for people to judge you based on nothing else than a minor opinion is too great and has no legit sample size.

Bottom line on this tread is simple: Nike did something for gay rights. Great. Nike screwed wrestling. more relevant to what I'm interested in. Nike still sucks.

Don't put words in my mouth or try to make yourself look better than anyone else. it's childish and again, why I don't talk politics.

And I can't help but be offended at you assuming I don't care about others in need. That's pretty piss poor to say about someone when you have NO IDEA about what needy causes I contribute towards. Do you know?

No, you're not my accountant do you couldn't know what causes I donate thousands of dollars to annually

I think about others in need everyday. But you don't know that. So I'm not a pioneer for gay rights ... I guess that makes me a bad person because it's clear based on one opinion of mine that I dont care about others

Seriously jacked up man, seriously. Next time you say someone doesn't think of others, talk to their accountant or the volunteer coordinator at Feed My Starving Children ...
You're the one who said "it doesn't affect me, so I don't care about it"  How am I supposed to know when you do and don't apply this logic? Your words lead me to believe you are only concerned with issues that directly affect you, it wasn't some baseless assumption.  If it is untrue of me, then perhaps you should be more thorough with your word choices. 
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: vaisforlovers on June 09, 2012, 04:08:18 PM
I'm curious why VAis, is even posting on a wrestling message board.  What with all he could be doing for gay rights with his time instead of being here.  I'm guessing an afternoon spent canvassing a neighborhood would be time better spent for someone who is so obviously concerned with the rights of others.

Thanks for bringing so much wit and logic to the table.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: fuhr on June 09, 2012, 04:15:54 PM
I'm curious why VAis, is even posting on a wrestling message board.  What with all he could be doing for gay rights with his time instead of being here.  I'm guessing an afternoon spent canvassing a neighborhood would be time better spent for someone who is so obviously concerned with the rights of others.

Thanks for bringing so much wit and logic to the table.


I'm quite serious.  You are obviously so much better than JB because you care about this and every other cause in the world, I'm sure, that I'm curious how you have time to be on a message board on a Saturday afternoon when you could be out trying to fight for human rights for homosexuals. 
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Jason Bryant on June 09, 2012, 04:50:11 PM
I didn't realize my word choices needed to be clarified because this is about Nike, not gay rights as a whole. If I need to be clear about my words, then you need to be clear-minded enough to realize the context of the topic ... which was Nike and it's LGBT line vs what Nike does in relation to wrestling

I think I was pretty clear, but people trying to make an issue out of a non-issue are clearly reading into my comments too much. It doesn't affect me, so no, I am not someone who is going to champion this cause one way or the other.

Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Jason Bryant on June 09, 2012, 05:56:14 PM
And since I can't edit my post for some reason, let me point out this comment.

"How am I supposed to know when you do and don't apply this logic?"

That's the entire problem. You don't know. See the problem this creates. You don't know. Making grand assumptions based on one statement on a partial tangent of a topic does not make you a viable judge of my life, opinions or beliefs or causes.

Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: vaisforlovers on June 09, 2012, 07:11:00 PM
I think this has run it's course. 
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Wire on June 10, 2012, 11:25:26 AM
I think this has run it's course.

The following,  is about the most lucid commentary about the OU/Nike situation I've read.  I don't care for Nike product because of it's quality nor price points. Early on I was a Nike hater as well .... Yet, pull back the covers, and look at the whole story, and "we" let that wrestling team slip through the cracks, not Nike.

Nike sponsors Anthony Robles.

Feel any way you want about Nike. There’s lots to like and dislike. Like if you think they’re a crap product or exploit child labor, those would be legit beefs. But blaming them for the demise of the Oregon program, or of not loving wrestling enough are misguided and possibly counter-productive. They’re not a strong ally, but they’re certainly not an enemy of wrestling. Understanding this matters far less to Nike than it does for wrestling people, as wrestling is a minuscule part of Nike’s business, while misunderstanding the true market forces at play can only hamstring wrestling’s mission.

Likewise, I’m not much for defending billionaires, but I know for a fact that Phil had zero to do with dropping Oregon wrestling. That happened well below his radar.

Hey, I’m as furious about what happened at Oregon as anyone, and I’m tenacious about getting at the truth and fighting for what I believe. These guys would get no quarter from me. My interest is in the reinstatement of wrestling at Oregon and throughout the country. To that end, I think it’s critical that wrestling people have a accurate view of the landscape.

Below is a comprehensive answer I recently gave to a friend who asserted that Phil Knight could have saved Oregon wrestling:
Yeah, I think Phil could have stopped it, but he would have had to do something he claims he never does, and that’s dictate policy to the UO. (Well, one could argue that telling the UO he was done with them after they signed on with the WRC was dictating policy, except he didn’t initially tell them anything other than “I feel betrayed” and “goodbye.” He never told them to change anything. But if you believe he set precedent with the WRC, it was a precedent to defend his company.) The UO has asked his opinion about things from time to time. They ignored him over the hiring of Martin Smith–which was something he cared greatly about. Kilkenny and his Athletic Review Committee consisting of Renee Baumgartner, Joe Giansante, Jim Bartko and Mark Ruckwardt killed wrestling. Phil was told of the decision to reinstate baseball, add cheer and cut wrestling. I’m told his response was essentially, “Okay, but make it work.”

I’m bummed that Phil doesn’t care about wrestling. Considering he’s an Oregonian, alum, athlete, supporter of the Olympic movement, founder of a company whose first Olympic gold medal was won by a wrestler, I’m surprised and dismayed that he doesn’t care. He’s been lobbied by us and others closer, and he maintains that it’s not his place to step in. In principle, he’s right, it’s not his place.

I wish Phil cared more for wrestling, but wrestling people who are blaming him are essentially angry at him for being reluctant to coerce UO leadership to change a decision–something he’s constitutionally averse to doing–over an issue that he has no interest. They think he should wield his power differently.

They may as well blame Tim Boyle, too. Tim is a very wealthy UO alum who heads up Columbia Sportswear. Tim could step up for wrestling. He didn’t. He doesn’t have as much clout as Phil, but he has considerable clout. He may have made a difference, and could make a difference now. He’s not. I don’t know his reasons, but I suspect they’re much like Phil’s–it’s not his place and it’s not his interest.
If you want to blame Phil, have it at. If you want to blame Nike because Phil owns a bunch of it, go ahead, but you’re following a fallacious line of reasoning called guilt by association. If you just want to punish Phil by boycotting his company, I suppose that’s a way to go. Of course, he’ll never personally feel it.

Should the wrestling community reach out to Nike? Yes, they should, but they should do so on the merits of the sport. You shouldn’t hold Nike responsible for what others did or didn’t do. And as a tactic, strong-arming Nike is a guaranteed fail.

There are real things that the wrestling community can be doing to help the sport. Misdirecting their anger isn’t one of them.


And now we are haters, because they (Nike) supports a brand, that supports the Gay community.  I swear, sometimes we as wrestling fans, are our own worst enemy's.



Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Rockhard on June 10, 2012, 12:40:08 PM
Phil's wife and Renee Baumgartner are the major culprits behind the demise of wrestling, as well as a group of UO baseball alumni and Pat Kilkenny.

Phil's wife is a huge baseball fan that wanted the team to return, as did Kilkenny and were told to make it happen. Baumgartner, who has been heard saying the first chance she gets, wrestling will disappear. She was no fan of the sport and wanted it gone. She told Kilkenny the only way they could ring baseball back was by dropping wrestling. The baseball alumni, who I know personally, jumped at the opportunity and said they'd raise the money necessary to help bring it back and saying wrestling had their chance, had no fans or alumni base who cared. Kilkenny, a big baseball fan and overall piece of crap douchebag(family owns a ranch in my county and are douchebags too) made it go away by not knowing the facts and get a heavy push from alumni, Baumgartner and Phil's wife.

Furthermore it was OSUs sudden baseball success that drove this. If they hadn't been winning, UO simply wouldn't care. I know this as fact as I've been to the campus and seen the lack of support for their club baseball team that would beg for donations during football games and get passed over by the thousands.

However I still blame Nike and Phil. Why because he could've easily told his wife that the plan wasn't right, could've said make it happen but were not dropping sports or simply said he didn't like it. But didn't.

And for those who think Phil doesn't have any influence on UO policy, I have some real estate in the swamp to sell you.

Here are the people who Nike supports, people who make them money and get their product out to the public. Guys like Hudson Taylor and Anthony Robles are merely advertising tools. Nike could care less about their cause. If Nike cared about causes, they wouldn't still be having 8yr old kids making their crappy shoes and clothes in Indonesia. They use UO as their own marketing puppet. If the football team wasn't winning do you think they'd even care? Does the football team need horrible new uniforms every game?

Nike drives their policy everyday directly or indirectly.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: vaisforlovers on June 10, 2012, 08:44:53 PM
I think this has run it's course.

The following,  is about the most lucid commentary about the OU/Nike situation I've read.  I don't care for Nike product because of it's quality nor price points. Early on I was a Nike hater as well .... Yet, pull back the covers, and look at the whole story, and "we" let that wrestling team slip through the cracks, not Nike.

Nike sponsors Anthony Robles.

Feel any way you want about Nike. There’s lots to like and dislike. Like if you think they’re a crap product or exploit child labor, those would be legit beefs. But blaming them for the demise of the Oregon program, or of not loving wrestling enough are misguided and possibly counter-productive. They’re not a strong ally, but they’re certainly not an enemy of wrestling. Understanding this matters far less to Nike than it does for wrestling people, as wrestling is a minuscule part of Nike’s business, while misunderstanding the true market forces at play can only hamstring wrestling’s mission.

Likewise, I’m not much for defending billionaires, but I know for a fact that Phil had zero to do with dropping Oregon wrestling. That happened well below his radar.

Hey, I’m as furious about what happened at Oregon as anyone, and I’m tenacious about getting at the truth and fighting for what I believe. These guys would get no quarter from me. My interest is in the reinstatement of wrestling at Oregon and throughout the country. To that end, I think it’s critical that wrestling people have a accurate view of the landscape.

Below is a comprehensive answer I recently gave to a friend who asserted that Phil Knight could have saved Oregon wrestling:
Yeah, I think Phil could have stopped it, but he would have had to do something he claims he never does, and that’s dictate policy to the UO. (Well, one could argue that telling the UO he was done with them after they signed on with the WRC was dictating policy, except he didn’t initially tell them anything other than “I feel betrayed” and “goodbye.” He never told them to change anything. But if you believe he set precedent with the WRC, it was a precedent to defend his company.) The UO has asked his opinion about things from time to time. They ignored him over the hiring of Martin Smith–which was something he cared greatly about. Kilkenny and his Athletic Review Committee consisting of Renee Baumgartner, Joe Giansante, Jim Bartko and Mark Ruckwardt killed wrestling. Phil was told of the decision to reinstate baseball, add cheer and cut wrestling. I’m told his response was essentially, “Okay, but make it work.”

I’m bummed that Phil doesn’t care about wrestling. Considering he’s an Oregonian, alum, athlete, supporter of the Olympic movement, founder of a company whose first Olympic gold medal was won by a wrestler, I’m surprised and dismayed that he doesn’t care. He’s been lobbied by us and others closer, and he maintains that it’s not his place to step in. In principle, he’s right, it’s not his place.

I wish Phil cared more for wrestling, but wrestling people who are blaming him are essentially angry at him for being reluctant to coerce UO leadership to change a decision–something he’s constitutionally averse to doing–over an issue that he has no interest. They think he should wield his power differently.

They may as well blame Tim Boyle, too. Tim is a very wealthy UO alum who heads up Columbia Sportswear. Tim could step up for wrestling. He didn’t. He doesn’t have as much clout as Phil, but he has considerable clout. He may have made a difference, and could make a difference now. He’s not. I don’t know his reasons, but I suspect they’re much like Phil’s–it’s not his place and it’s not his interest.
If you want to blame Phil, have it at. If you want to blame Nike because Phil owns a bunch of it, go ahead, but you’re following a fallacious line of reasoning called guilt by association. If you just want to punish Phil by boycotting his company, I suppose that’s a way to go. Of course, he’ll never personally feel it.

Should the wrestling community reach out to Nike? Yes, they should, but they should do so on the merits of the sport. You shouldn’t hold Nike responsible for what others did or didn’t do. And as a tactic, strong-arming Nike is a guaranteed fail.

There are real things that the wrestling community can be doing to help the sport. Misdirecting their anger isn’t one of them.


And now we are haters, because they (Nike) supports a brand, that supports the Gay community.  I swear, sometimes we as wrestling fans, are our own worst enemy's.

Now we have to boycott Columbia too!?  I'm going to freeze!  If I find out that North Face cut wrestling too, I'm officially screwed.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: wrestej on June 11, 2012, 08:07:42 AM
You don't have to boycott anyone.  That's the great thing about making your own decisions.  I for one choose to boycott Nike because of what they did to the wrestling program at OU.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: brycemus on June 11, 2012, 09:54:00 AM
Nike can suck it
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Wire on June 12, 2012, 08:31:10 AM
Nike can suck it

Very eloquent.....  And we wonder why Wrestling Fans are considered Neanderthals ... At 29 years of age, and 10.711 posts per day, one would think you could alt least build a complete sentence.

It's exactly, this kind of blind, misdirected hatred, that has hamstrung College Wrestling since Title 9 arrived on the scene. The University of Washington, and prior to that Washington State, buried their heads in the sand and did absolutely nothing to preserve the wrestling programs.  Totally off guard, with no preservation or funding plans, what so ever. 

It's ironic, that OSU, the ugly step child of OU .... Is still alive and well, and building a solid endowment  base of funds. They are not out of the woods as of yet, however they are getting closer and closer. 

It wasn't until the programs were flushed down the toilet, did we ever see any efforts to fund the programs at  UW and WSU. Granted we never thought the proportion prong would be the fall back position ... in the early days. OU had plenty of lead time to prepare...  YET did not.

The last figures we got from WSU was 13M, to fund both womens and mens wrestling, as they also need new facilities as well. And over at the UW, you can find absolutely no history nor indication, that Larry Owing ever wrestled there.

It's as if, wrestling never existed.

What is frustrating is ... We have so many Kazillionaires, Billionaires and Multi Millionaires in the NW, and not a single one of them is a former wrestler, nor avid wrestling fans.

A sugar daddy or two would sure be welcome.



   

Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: The Du on June 12, 2012, 08:52:07 AM
yes, because message board posts define us  ::)

nike CAN suck it.

you wanna support them? fine.

i won't.

will it hurt their pocketbook? nope. but that's beside the point.

it's about principle.

i believe they could have done more to save Oregon wrestling,

and i believe they could have it re-instated today if they gave a sh!t .

but no, they'll just continue to sell wrestling gear and make money on the sport.

of course, you can feel free to disagree with all this.

it's my perspective and my choice to not buy their products.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Wire on June 12, 2012, 09:07:19 AM
Nike can suck it

Very eloquent.....  And we wonder why Wrestling Fans are considered Neanderthals ... At 29 years of age, and 10.711 posts per day, one would think ...... OH ... Never mind. :-[

It's exactly, this kind of blind, misdirected hatred, that has hamstrung College Wrestling since Title 9 arrived on the scene. The University of Washington, and prior to that Washington State, buried their heads in the sand and did absolutely nothing to preserve the wrestling programs.  Totally off guard, with no preservation or funding plans, what so ever. 

It's ironic, that OSU, the ugly step child of OU .... Is still alive and well, and building a solid endowment  base of funds. They are not out of the woods as of yet, however they are getting closer and closer. 

It wasn't until the programs were flushed down the toilet, did we ever see any efforts to fund the programs at  UW and WSU. Granted we never thought the proportion prong would be the fall back position ... in the early days. OU had plenty of lead time to prepare...  YET did not.

The last figures we got from WSU was 13M, to fund both womens and mens wrestling, as they also need new facilities as well. And over at the UW, you can find absolutely no history nor indication, that Larry Owing ever wrestled there.

It's as if, wrestling never existed.

What is frustrating is ... We have so many Kazillionaires, Billionaires and Multi Millionaires in the NW, and not a single one of them is a former wrestler, nor avid wrestling fans.

A sugar daddy or two would sure be welcome.



 
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Drooke on June 12, 2012, 10:47:27 AM
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Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: brycemus on June 12, 2012, 11:13:57 AM
Nike can suck it

Very eloquent.....  And we wonder why Wrestling Fans are considered Neanderthals ... At 29 years of age, and 10.711 posts per day, one would think you could alt least build a complete sentence.

It's exactly, this kind of blind, misdirected hatred, that has hamstrung College Wrestling since Title 9 arrived on the scene. The University of Washington, and prior to that Washington State, buried their heads in the sand and did absolutely nothing to preserve the wrestling programs.  Totally off guard, with no preservation or funding plans, what so ever. 

It's ironic, that OSU, the ugly step child of OU .... Is still alive and well, and building a solid endowment  base of funds. They are not out of the woods as of yet, however they are getting closer and closer. 

It wasn't until the programs were flushed down the toilet, did we ever see any efforts to fund the programs at  UW and WSU. Granted we never thought the proportion prong would be the fall back position ... in the early days. OU had plenty of lead time to prepare...  YET did not.

The last figures we got from WSU was 13M, to fund both womens and mens wrestling, as they also need new facilities as well. And over at the UW, you can find absolutely no history nor indication, that Larry Owing ever wrestled there.

It's as if, wrestling never existed.

What is frustrating is ... We have so many Kazillionaires, Billionaires and Multi Millionaires in the NW, and not a single one of them is a former wrestler, nor avid wrestling fans.

A sugar daddy or two would sure be welcome.



 
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I should my college education to work and write out a long response as to why I don't buy Nike and therefore don't support them.

I do not purchase products made or marketed by NIKE Corporation for a number of reasons.  They produce an inferior product compared to nearly every other sports manufacturing company.  Adidas, Asics, New Balance, Puma, KSwiss, Reebok, Spalding, etc all produce equipment that is of overall better quality at or below the prices offered by Nike.  When you buy from Nike, you're paying for the "Swoosh".  I have never owned a Nike shirt (tshirt, polo, sweatshirt, etc) that did not develop wear holes within the first year of ownership.  The shoes that I have owned (crosstrainer, runners, wrestling shoes) have all structurely failed as well.  The last pair was a pair of "I am Strong" Lance Armstrong inspired crosstrainers, the undersole separated from the boot within 6 months.  That is unacceptable by Any standards. 
Do I feel that Nike contributed to the loss of wrestling at the University of Oregon?  Absolutely.  To say that they had nothing to do with it is ridiculous and intellectually dishonest.  The University bowed to pressure from people closely related to the Company.
I do not think it was their duty to "save" the sport of wrestling at the University, but they absolutely owe it to a community that had been purchasing and supporting their wrestling apparel to not help sound the death knoll.

Nike Can Suck it.

is that better Wire?  f'ing d'bag
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Cruocified on June 12, 2012, 03:41:19 PM
bryce do you want to fight in real life during the TOM party in Des Moines?
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: brycemus on June 12, 2012, 04:04:53 PM
bring on the CAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: The Du on June 12, 2012, 05:09:55 PM
i'm your huckleberry
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: fuhr on June 12, 2012, 05:52:31 PM
bryce do you want to fight in real life during the TOM party in Des Moines?

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/pkdmslf/InternetToughGuy.jpg#internet%20tough%20guy)
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Rockhard on June 12, 2012, 06:46:32 PM
OSU's endowment is made up of the old Cultural Exchange fund, Dale Thomas being a huge penny pincher and a large donation made by Robin Reeds widow before she died that was in the millions. The endowment is set up so they will always make money and only use a portion of the interest.

As much as people hated Dale, he was ahead of his time when it comes to funding a college program.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Cruocified on June 12, 2012, 10:56:03 PM
We hated him for the square hamburgers, not for being well endowed.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Cruocified on June 12, 2012, 11:01:20 PM
bring on the CAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was thinking POGS, for keeps.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Rockhard on June 12, 2012, 11:36:54 PM
We hated him for the square hamburgers, not for being well endowed.

Bazing!
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Wire on June 13, 2012, 12:42:17 AM
OSU's endowment is made up of the old Cultural Exchange fund, Dale Thomas being a huge penny pincher and a large donation made by Robin Reeds widow before she died that was in the millions. The endowment is set up so they will always make money and only use a portion of the interest.

As much as people hated Dale, he was ahead of his time when it comes to funding a college program.

Rock ... Almost, but not quite fully funded:

9.9 Scholarships are good to go ... yet a lot of more expenses need to be covered.


http://tinyurl.com/6uhn83n
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: brycemus on June 13, 2012, 10:41:17 AM
bring on the CAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was thinking POGS, for keeps.
for Keeps?  my mom doesn't like it when I play for keeps...but you're on!  only regulation "slammers" though!
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: ViseGrip on June 13, 2012, 11:17:17 AM
Nike can suck it

Very eloquent.....  And we wonder why Wrestling Fans are considered Neanderthals ... At 29 years of age, and 10.711 posts per day, one would think ...... OH ... Never mind. :-[

It's exactly, this kind of blind, misdirected hatred, that has hamstrung College Wrestling since Title 9 arrived on the scene. The University of Washington, and prior to that Washington State, buried their heads in the sand and did absolutely nothing to preserve the wrestling programs.  Totally off guard, with no preservation or funding plans, what so ever. 

It's ironic, that OSU, the ugly step child of OU .... Is still alive and well, and building a solid endowment  base of funds. They are not out of the woods as of yet, however they are getting closer and closer. 

It wasn't until the programs were flushed down the toilet, did we ever see any efforts to fund the programs at  UW and WSU. Granted we never thought the proportion prong would be the fall back position ... in the early days. OU had plenty of lead time to prepare...  YET did not.

The last figures we got from WSU was 13M, to fund both womens and mens wrestling, as they also need new facilities as well. And over at the UW, you can find absolutely no history nor indication, that Larry Owing ever wrestled there.

It's as if, wrestling never existed.

What is frustrating is ... We have so many Kazillionaires, Billionaires and Multi Millionaires in the NW, and not a single one of them is a former wrestler, nor avid wrestling fans.

A sugar daddy or two would sure be welcome.



 
If you dont know that Phil Knight was a huge if not THE catalyst in the demise of the Duck wrestling program then you arent much of a fan of college wrestling at least not a knowledgeable one.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: vaisforlovers on June 13, 2012, 06:29:32 PM
Nike can suck it

Very eloquent.....  And we wonder why Wrestling Fans are considered Neanderthals ... At 29 years of age, and 10.711 posts per day, one would think ...... OH ... Never mind. :-[

It's exactly, this kind of blind, misdirected hatred, that has hamstrung College Wrestling since Title 9 arrived on the scene. The University of Washington, and prior to that Washington State, buried their heads in the sand and did absolutely nothing to preserve the wrestling programs.  Totally off guard, with no preservation or funding plans, what so ever. 

It's ironic, that OSU, the ugly step child of OU .... Is still alive and well, and building a solid endowment  base of funds. They are not out of the woods as of yet, however they are getting closer and closer. 

It wasn't until the programs were flushed down the toilet, did we ever see any efforts to fund the programs at  UW and WSU. Granted we never thought the proportion prong would be the fall back position ... in the early days. OU had plenty of lead time to prepare...  YET did not.

The last figures we got from WSU was 13M, to fund both womens and mens wrestling, as they also need new facilities as well. And over at the UW, you can find absolutely no history nor indication, that Larry Owing ever wrestled there.

It's as if, wrestling never existed.

What is frustrating is ... We have so many Kazillionaires, Billionaires and Multi Millionaires in the NW, and not a single one of them is a former wrestler, nor avid wrestling fans.

A sugar daddy or two would sure be welcome.



 
If you dont know that Phil Knight was a huge if not THE catalyst in the demise of the Duck wrestling program then you arent much of a fan of college wrestling at least not a knowledgeable one.
Agreed.  If you cant blame a big corporation for your problems, who should you blame?
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Intensity guru on June 13, 2012, 08:07:17 PM
Gay people... (fart noise)

who cares?
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: ocianain on June 13, 2012, 08:24:33 PM
If only Lord Alfred Douglas could see homosexuality now, its' gone from, "...the love that dare not speak its' name" to "...the love that just won't shut the F up."
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Hardcore on June 13, 2012, 08:33:07 PM
I don't care who you are, thats some funny shit. +1 Oc.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: The Du on June 13, 2012, 08:42:28 PM
Nike can suck it

Very eloquent.....  And we wonder why Wrestling Fans are considered Neanderthals ... At 29 years of age, and 10.711 posts per day, one would think ...... OH ... Never mind. :-[

It's exactly, this kind of blind, misdirected hatred, that has hamstrung College Wrestling since Title 9 arrived on the scene. The University of Washington, and prior to that Washington State, buried their heads in the sand and did absolutely nothing to preserve the wrestling programs.  Totally off guard, with no preservation or funding plans, what so ever. 

It's ironic, that OSU, the ugly step child of OU .... Is still alive and well, and building a solid endowment  base of funds. They are not out of the woods as of yet, however they are getting closer and closer. 

It wasn't until the programs were flushed down the toilet, did we ever see any efforts to fund the programs at  UW and WSU. Granted we never thought the proportion prong would be the fall back position ... in the early days. OU had plenty of lead time to prepare...  YET did not.

The last figures we got from WSU was 13M, to fund both womens and mens wrestling, as they also need new facilities as well. And over at the UW, you can find absolutely no history nor indication, that Larry Owing ever wrestled there.

It's as if, wrestling never existed.

What is frustrating is ... We have so many Kazillionaires, Billionaires and Multi Millionaires in the NW, and not a single one of them is a former wrestler, nor avid wrestling fans.

A sugar daddy or two would sure be welcome.



 
If you dont know that Phil Knight was a huge if not THE catalyst in the demise of the Duck wrestling program then you arent much of a fan of college wrestling at least not a knowledgeable one.
Agreed.  If you cant blame a big corporation for your problems, who should you blame?

deflection at its finest.

you're on that sparkilian stuff....always the contrarian.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Rockhard on June 13, 2012, 09:52:50 PM
Gay people... (fart noise)

who cares?

As I read this, imagine you as Mark Walhberg in The Departed when he's talking shit to DiCaprio.

+1
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: RYou on June 14, 2012, 07:00:11 AM
YES !

Kent State beats Oregon 3-2 in NCAA super regional to reach its first College World Series
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: vaisforlovers on June 14, 2012, 07:16:15 AM
Nike can suck it

Very eloquent.....  And we wonder why Wrestling Fans are considered Neanderthals ... At 29 years of age, and 10.711 posts per day, one would think ...... OH ... Never mind. :-[

It's exactly, this kind of blind, misdirected hatred, that has hamstrung College Wrestling since Title 9 arrived on the scene. The University of Washington, and prior to that Washington State, buried their heads in the sand and did absolutely nothing to preserve the wrestling programs.  Totally off guard, with no preservation or funding plans, what so ever. 

It's ironic, that OSU, the ugly step child of OU .... Is still alive and well, and building a solid endowment  base of funds. They are not out of the woods as of yet, however they are getting closer and closer. 

It wasn't until the programs were flushed down the toilet, did we ever see any efforts to fund the programs at  UW and WSU. Granted we never thought the proportion prong would be the fall back position ... in the early days. OU had plenty of lead time to prepare...  YET did not.

The last figures we got from WSU was 13M, to fund both womens and mens wrestling, as they also need new facilities as well. And over at the UW, you can find absolutely no history nor indication, that Larry Owing ever wrestled there.

It's as if, wrestling never existed.

What is frustrating is ... We have so many Kazillionaires, Billionaires and Multi Millionaires in the NW, and not a single one of them is a former wrestler, nor avid wrestling fans.

A sugar daddy or two would sure be welcome.



 
If you dont know that Phil Knight was a huge if not THE catalyst in the demise of the Duck wrestling program then you arent much of a fan of college wrestling at least not a knowledgeable one.
Agreed.  If you cant blame a big corporation for your problems, who should you blame?

deflection at its finest.

you're on that sparkilian stuff....always the contrarian.

I thought you were going to teach me a new word, Willie.  Then I realized Sparkilian was made up and was disappointed.  I'm not sure of its origins at this point.

I'm not ALWAYS the contrarian!  However, I do have my reasons for being sympathetic to homosexuals, but I'll save you that because most of you probably don't care and it'd be too long to type out.  And I'd probably come off sounding preachy.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Wire on June 14, 2012, 09:24:20 AM
Nike can suck it

Very eloquent.....  And we wonder why Wrestling Fans are considered Neanderthals ... At 29 years of age, and 10.711 posts per day, one would think ...... OH ... Never mind. :-[

It's exactly, this kind of blind, misdirected hatred, that has hamstrung College Wrestling since Title 9 arrived on the scene. The University of Washington, and prior to that Washington State, buried their heads in the sand and did absolutely nothing to preserve the wrestling programs.  Totally off guard, with no preservation or funding plans, what so ever. 

It's ironic, that OSU, the ugly step child of OU .... Is still alive and well, and building a solid endowment  base of funds. They are not out of the woods as of yet, however they are getting closer and closer. 

It wasn't until the programs were flushed down the toilet, did we ever see any efforts to fund the programs at  UW and WSU. Granted we never thought the proportion prong would be the fall back position ... in the early days. OU had plenty of lead time to prepare...  YET did not.

The last figures we got from WSU was 13M, to fund both womens and mens wrestling, as they also need new facilities as well. And over at the UW, you can find absolutely no history nor indication, that Larry Owing ever wrestled there.

It's as if, wrestling never existed.

What is frustrating is ... We have so many Kazillionaires, Billionaires and Multi Millionaires in the NW, and not a single one of them is a former wrestler, nor avid wrestling fans.

A sugar daddy or two would sure be welcome.



 
If you dont know that Phil Knight was a huge if not THE catalyst in the demise of the Duck wrestling program then you arent much of a fan of college wrestling at least not a knowledgeable one.

Phil has been a catalyst in and around the Football situation for sure. Hell, he owns that aspect of the University of Oregon. During Football games, they have a headset for him in his suite, to listen in to the coaches as they call plays down on the field !!!  There will come a day, if not already .... Oregon is going to wish they hadn't taken his handouts. He has developed an inordinate influence over the Athletic Administration, at all levels.

However, he wasn't the catalyst in the dropping of Wrestling, IMO and others. It was the knuckle-head AD, they had in place, and the AD prior. Again ... I can't really logically hate him for what he DIDN'T do. He was not required, nor invested,  to save UO from themselves.  As long as Football was safe, he was "good to go".

Hell ... his wife was a larger, and  more effective influencer in some ways, when you look close at the Womens Cheer, and Baseball situation.

The overall point of the article I posted, and my belief as well is: This hatred on message boards, our feeble attempt at boycotts, and all the teeth gnashing, and hand ringing on Wrestling Forums will do absolutely nothing, with regards to getting Wrestling back at UO. 

ViceGrip ... You and I are about the same age.  I rolled around as a 118#'r for WSU for a couple seasons, back when our nemesis, THE UW was a top 10 or better program. Both now gone....

Still involved with HS and Youth, and do "voice work" and announcing for Comcast on Demand. Specifically for High School wrestling, mostly at the Washington State Tournament, and regional tournaments, as well as a few in-season marquee events.  Just an FYI.

Good luck with the boycott.

 
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: brycemus on June 14, 2012, 11:04:04 AM
Phil Knight is the freaking AD for all intents and purposes.  He could make the University do whatever he wants, whenever he wants.  And what he wanted them to do was listen to his wife and axe wrestling.

Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Drooke on June 14, 2012, 11:14:24 AM
An interesting article on hudson's great great great grandfather... http://www.times-herald.com/religion/20120609pastor-corner-MOS
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: kingpeezy on June 14, 2012, 01:33:10 PM
I would think that making sure every American regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation, gender, etc., is given a fair shot and equal rights (both on and off the playing field) would rank a little higher on your list of 'Shit I Care About' than a simple sport.  But hey, what do I care, its only other peoples lives we are talking about, not mine.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Jason Bryant on June 14, 2012, 03:55:37 PM
I would think that making sure every American regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation, gender, etc., is given a fair shot and equal rights (both on and off the playing field) would rank a little higher on your list of 'Shit I Care About' than a simple sport.  But hey, what do I care, its only other peoples lives we are talking about, not mine.

I'm assuming this is directed at me, but as I said to someone else -- you don't know what I care about, what causes I donate to and what things I volunteer my time for. Outside of my family and close circle of friends, wrestling is the next biggest part of my life. There are several causes I have no direct impact or affiliation with that I endorse, support and actively participate.

I also never said I wasn't against equal rights. I support what Hudson Taylor is doing, I don't, however, believe Nike should be given a reprieve over their responsibility with the loss of Oregon wrestling just because they are producing a line of apparel aimed at eradicating homophobia in sports.

I love how you think you can sit on this pedestal and look down on me because I'm not going to be a flag-waving advocate for gay rights. I have my beliefs and that's my right. I have the right to care or not care about anything I want. You can criticize, pop up on a messageboard and question it, but your opinion will rank pretty low on the things I care about. So pack that in your pipe and smoke it.

Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: The Du on June 14, 2012, 05:02:27 PM
Nike can suck it

Very eloquent.....  And we wonder why Wrestling Fans are considered Neanderthals ... At 29 years of age, and 10.711 posts per day, one would think ...... OH ... Never mind. :-[

It's exactly, this kind of blind, misdirected hatred, that has hamstrung College Wrestling since Title 9 arrived on the scene. The University of Washington, and prior to that Washington State, buried their heads in the sand and did absolutely nothing to preserve the wrestling programs.  Totally off guard, with no preservation or funding plans, what so ever. 

It's ironic, that OSU, the ugly step child of OU .... Is still alive and well, and building a solid endowment  base of funds. They are not out of the woods as of yet, however they are getting closer and closer. 

It wasn't until the programs were flushed down the toilet, did we ever see any efforts to fund the programs at  UW and WSU. Granted we never thought the proportion prong would be the fall back position ... in the early days. OU had plenty of lead time to prepare...  YET did not.

The last figures we got from WSU was 13M, to fund both womens and mens wrestling, as they also need new facilities as well. And over at the UW, you can find absolutely no history nor indication, that Larry Owing ever wrestled there.

It's as if, wrestling never existed.

What is frustrating is ... We have so many Kazillionaires, Billionaires and Multi Millionaires in the NW, and not a single one of them is a former wrestler, nor avid wrestling fans.

A sugar daddy or two would sure be welcome.



 
If you dont know that Phil Knight was a huge if not THE catalyst in the demise of the Duck wrestling program then you arent much of a fan of college wrestling at least not a knowledgeable one.
Agreed.  If you cant blame a big corporation for your problems, who should you blame?

deflection at its finest.

you're on that sparkilian stuff....always the contrarian.

I thought you were going to teach me a new word, Willie.  Then I realized Sparkilian was made up and was disappointed.  I'm not sure of its origins at this point.

I'm not ALWAYS the contrarian!  However, I do have my reasons for being sympathetic to homosexuals, but I'll save you that because most of you probably don't care and it'd be too long to type out.  And I'd probably come off sounding preachy.

VAIS - being for LGBT rights and not supporting nike are not contradictory measures. just because nike started a non-profit doesn't mean we should support them. at the same time, not supporting them does not mean we don't support LGBT rights.

that was sort of convoluted. but you get my point.

hating nike doesn't mean we hate gay rights.

you're a smart dude. i don't understand why you think we should support nike simply because they printed a tshirt. there's other (more important and effective) ways to support LGBT. and nike printing a damn tshirt doesn't do anything to change the fact that they dissed wrestling.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: vaisforlovers on June 14, 2012, 08:40:35 PM
Nike can suck it

Very eloquent.....  And we wonder why Wrestling Fans are considered Neanderthals ... At 29 years of age, and 10.711 posts per day, one would think ...... OH ... Never mind. :-[

It's exactly, this kind of blind, misdirected hatred, that has hamstrung College Wrestling since Title 9 arrived on the scene. The University of Washington, and prior to that Washington State, buried their heads in the sand and did absolutely nothing to preserve the wrestling programs.  Totally off guard, with no preservation or funding plans, what so ever. 

It's ironic, that OSU, the ugly step child of OU .... Is still alive and well, and building a solid endowment  base of funds. They are not out of the woods as of yet, however they are getting closer and closer. 

It wasn't until the programs were flushed down the toilet, did we ever see any efforts to fund the programs at  UW and WSU. Granted we never thought the proportion prong would be the fall back position ... in the early days. OU had plenty of lead time to prepare...  YET did not.

The last figures we got from WSU was 13M, to fund both womens and mens wrestling, as they also need new facilities as well. And over at the UW, you can find absolutely no history nor indication, that Larry Owing ever wrestled there.

It's as if, wrestling never existed.

What is frustrating is ... We have so many Kazillionaires, Billionaires and Multi Millionaires in the NW, and not a single one of them is a former wrestler, nor avid wrestling fans.

A sugar daddy or two would sure be welcome.



 
If you dont know that Phil Knight was a huge if not THE catalyst in the demise of the Duck wrestling program then you arent much of a fan of college wrestling at least not a knowledgeable one.
Agreed.  If you cant blame a big corporation for your problems, who should you blame?

deflection at its finest.

you're on that sparkilian stuff....always the contrarian.

I thought you were going to teach me a new word, Willie.  Then I realized Sparkilian was made up and was disappointed.  I'm not sure of its origins at this point.

I'm not ALWAYS the contrarian!  However, I do have my reasons for being sympathetic to homosexuals, but I'll save you that because most of you probably don't care and it'd be too long to type out.  And I'd probably come off sounding preachy.

VAIS - being for LGBT rights and not supporting nike are not contradictory measures. just because nike started a non-profit doesn't mean we should support them. at the same time, not supporting them does not mean we don't support LGBT rights.

that was sort of convoluted. but you get my point.

hating nike doesn't mean we hate gay rights.

you're a smart dude. i don't understand why you think we should support nike simply because they printed a tshirt. there's other (more important and effective) ways to support LGBT. and nike printing a damn tshirt doesn't do anything to change the fact that they dissed wrestling.

I know the two aren't mutually exclusive.  You are probably right. I don't think people should be considered bad wrestling fans if they choose to buy the shirt though(I know nobody here has suggested as such either).  It's kind of like the anti-abortion people who are only obsessed with electing republicans, but don't do anything to actually help these girls and who are getting pregnant.  Ok, not trying to start anything political.  Can't wait to talk about legitimate wrestling topics.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Cruocified on June 14, 2012, 09:57:19 PM
Wrestling is an insignificant sport.  If they dropped every program in the country tomorrow we'd all go berserk, but nobody else would give a flying f***.  Not only is it "just a sport," but it is also an insignificant one at that.  Football and Basketball are the only sports that matter in college.  Everything else is just there for schools to pretend that they believe in "student athletes" even though they could care less.  Networks can market and make loads of cash on football and men's basketball, because that is all the general public cares about.  Everything else doesn't matter.  Enjoy wrestling while you can, because unless the general public starts giving out fu**s, then it'll never be anything but a niche sport competing with women's gymnastics for coverage.  Who cares if Philip Knight had some kind of involvement in Oregon wrestling being shut down?  If I want to wear a a shirt advertising my support for rainbow colored check marks then I will.
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: ctc on June 15, 2012, 08:02:56 AM
Nike can suck it

Very eloquent.....  And we wonder why Wrestling Fans are considered Neanderthals ... At 29 years of age, and 10.711 posts per day, one would think ...... OH ... Never mind. :-[

It's exactly, this kind of blind, misdirected hatred, that has hamstrung College Wrestling since Title 9 arrived on the scene. The University of Washington, and prior to that Washington State, buried their heads in the sand and did absolutely nothing to preserve the wrestling programs.  Totally off guard, with no preservation or funding plans, what so ever. 

It's ironic, that OSU, the ugly step child of OU .... Is still alive and well, and building a solid endowment  base of funds. They are not out of the woods as of yet, however they are getting closer and closer. 

It wasn't until the programs were flushed down the toilet, did we ever see any efforts to fund the programs at  UW and WSU. Granted we never thought the proportion prong would be the fall back position ... in the early days. OU had plenty of lead time to prepare...  YET did not.

The last figures we got from WSU was 13M, to fund both womens and mens wrestling, as they also need new facilities as well. And over at the UW, you can find absolutely no history nor indication, that Larry Owing ever wrestled there.

It's as if, wrestling never existed.

What is frustrating is ... We have so many Kazillionaires, Billionaires and Multi Millionaires in the NW, and not a single one of them is a former wrestler, nor avid wrestling fans.

A sugar daddy or two would sure be welcome.



 
If you dont know that Phil Knight was a huge if not THE catalyst in the demise of the Duck wrestling program then you arent much of a fan of college wrestling at least not a knowledgeable one.
Agreed.  If you cant blame a big corporation for your problems, who should you blame?

deflection at its finest.

you're on that sparkilian stuff....always the contrarian.

I thought you were going to teach me a new word, Willie.  Then I realized Sparkilian was made up and was disappointed.  I'm not sure of its origins at this point.

I'm not ALWAYS the contrarian!  However, I do have my reasons for being sympathetic to homosexuals, but I'll save you that because most of you probably don't care and it'd be too long to type out.  And I'd probably come off sounding preachy.
I brain stormed it, thank you.   :D
Title: Re: Time to Lift the Ban on Nike?
Post by: Wire on June 15, 2012, 09:11:59 AM
Wrestling is an insignificant sport.  If they dropped every program in the country tomorrow we'd all go berserk, but nobody else would give a flying f***.  Not only is it "just a sport," but it is also an insignificant one at that.  Football and Basketball are the only sports that matter in college.  Everything else is just there for schools to pretend that they believe in "student athletes" even though they could care less.  Networks can market and make loads of cash on football and men's basketball, because that is all the general public cares about.  Everything else doesn't matter.  Enjoy wrestling while you can, because unless the general public starts giving out fu**s, then it'll never be anything but a niche sport competing with women's gymnastics for coverage.  Who cares if Philip Knight had some kind of involvement in Oregon wrestling being shut down?  If I want to wear a a shirt advertising my support for rainbow colored check marks then I will.

As harsh as this may seem to be .... It's one of the more accurate posts in this whole thread.