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Title: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: SingletSlinger on September 12, 2012, 12:54:27 PM
NO!

Back to the drawing board for the NWCA. 
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: brycemus on September 12, 2012, 12:56:21 PM
I saw this on Cael's twitter...he was trying to get confirmation that mean you have it sir?
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: SingletSlinger on September 12, 2012, 01:03:29 PM
Yep, there is a flood alert in Ithaca due to Rob Koll's crying.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Ray Brinzer on September 12, 2012, 01:12:37 PM
Never underestimate how quickly drama can become comedy... at your expense.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: ptoc-nwca on September 12, 2012, 01:13:52 PM
NO!

Back to the drawing board for the NWCA.

Since I have not heard officially what the cabinet said, did they flat our reject it or send it back to the committee and come back to us in February?
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: SingletSlinger on September 12, 2012, 01:16:41 PM
NO!

Back to the drawing board for the NWCA.

Since I have not heard officially what the cabinet said, did they flat our reject it or send it back to the committee and come back to us in February?

Wasn't it you, Moyer and Koll that kept saying that this is our one and only shot at this thing EVER passing?
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: ptoc-nwca on September 12, 2012, 01:20:46 PM
NO!

Back to the drawing board for the NWCA.

Since I have not heard officially what the cabinet said, did they flat our reject it or send it back to the committee and come back to us in February?

Wasn't it you, Moyer and Koll that kept saying that this is our one and only shot at this thing EVER passing?

I was actually asking you a question if you knew if they rejected it or sent it back to committee.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Ray Brinzer on September 12, 2012, 01:22:03 PM
What say we establish the facts clearly before the argument begins?
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: SingletSlinger on September 12, 2012, 01:22:51 PM
Getting a little snippy when I don't answer your question aren't ya?

Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: ptoc-nwca on September 12, 2012, 01:23:52 PM
Getting a little snippy when I don't answer your question aren't ya?

No, I was just asking a question if you knew. Thanks though.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: mrwrestling2 on September 12, 2012, 01:24:32 PM
Cael claims on twitter that it was rejected and sent back to the committee.  Take that as message board fodder for now.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: AFHawk86 on September 12, 2012, 01:27:45 PM
Cael tweeted: Great News if true!! "@DanieloElliott: word from SoCon meetings is the proposal has been rejected and sent back to wrestling committee" 

Sounds like it's back for more discussion.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Ray Brinzer on September 12, 2012, 01:30:03 PM
Since I have not heard officially what the cabinet said, did they flat our reject it or send it back to the committee and come back to us in February?

Would it be correct to assume that the NWCA's role in the decision-making process is finished in either case?
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: ronsnap on September 12, 2012, 01:31:36 PM
thank goodness someone has some common sense.  I hope the NWCA takes this is an oportunity to do things corectly from here on out.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: ptoc-nwca on September 12, 2012, 01:32:45 PM
Since I have not heard officially what the cabinet said, did they flat our reject it or send it back to the committee and come back to us in February?

Would it be correct to assume that the NWCA's role in the decision-making process is finished in either case?

I think that is too hard to answer until we know more what the cabinet said and decided. 

Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: hand fighter on September 12, 2012, 01:53:52 PM
Now will Cael, Tom and the rest start attending NCWA funtions and start contibuting for the Well Being of ALL programs?
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: jammen on September 12, 2012, 02:01:32 PM
 Wrestling community shoots itself in the foot.  Claims no progress is actually progress. 
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: cwilson on September 12, 2012, 02:33:29 PM
I actually like the idea of a NCAA Dual champion, but I don't like that only 51% of coaches were in favor.  Possible anarchy there.  Good job by NCAA committee to recognize that wrestling is not ready for a change, but clearly change is necessary to keep wrestling around in the distant future.  I hear many opposed the the NWCA working on this issue.  So if the NWCA doesn't take the lead in problem solving this issue, who will?   Even though it has failed for now,  I am glad that somebody is trying to keep wrestling around for the distant future.

The plan clearly needs revision to draw in more coaches, and then maybe the NCAA will listen.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: AKIN on September 12, 2012, 02:35:59 PM
Again, I like the option of having 2 separate National championships, Individual and Dual, even if the NCAA will only "recognize" one of them. Why take away from one to prop up another? That would be progress to me.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Hardcore on September 12, 2012, 03:04:51 PM
Did the NCAA just call this a mulligan? I hope that both sides of the arguement take advantage of this gift and work together to finding a solution to this problem.

+1 Akin. My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: brycemus on September 12, 2012, 03:26:48 PM
I was shouting for that like on page 10 of the 50 pages of debate...I am fine with 2, but I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: mspart on September 12, 2012, 03:36:23 PM
I was shouting for that like on page 10 of the 50 pages of debate...I am fine with 2, but I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face

Like it would matter!!!    :o

mspart
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: fuhr on September 12, 2012, 03:48:53 PM
Now will Cael, Tom and the rest start attending NCWA funtions and start contibuting for the Well Being of ALL programs?


Do ALL programs pay their salaries, or do the Universities of Pennsylvania and Iowa do that?  I think they should be there but don't play that card.  FANS need to contribute to the well being of all programs.  Coaches need to worry about their teams and what is best for their student athletes. 
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Ray Brinzer on September 12, 2012, 03:51:48 PM
Do ALL programs pay their salaries, or do the Universities of Pennsylvania and Iowa do that?

Friendly reminder:  Pennsylvania State University != University of Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: hand fighter on September 12, 2012, 04:26:24 PM
I'm with you on that Fuhr. But i've been told by more than one D1 coach that a few coach's refuse to cooperate/contibute. One of the coach's and i quote" Cael and Tom are out on an island of their own!"
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: brycemus on September 12, 2012, 04:42:30 PM
I'm with you on that Fuhr. But i've been told by more than one D1 coach that a few coach's refuse to cooperate/contibute. One of the coach's and i quote" Cael and Tom are out on an island of their own!"
and what a large well funded island it is with a huge fan base that gives a crap about the wrestling teams
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Rockhard on September 12, 2012, 05:06:53 PM
I have a feeling it will be back to them by february.

This is a win for those who knew it was too rushed. Now, if you really want this to happen, put some time, thought and research into it, and data to back it up.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Hardcore on September 12, 2012, 05:10:05 PM
Does this mean the boy will continue to wrestle? He has mad skills. It would be a shame to lose him.  8)
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: fuhr on September 12, 2012, 06:27:19 PM
Do ALL programs pay their salaries, or do the Universities of Pennsylvania and Iowa do that?

Friendly reminder:  Pennsylvania State University != University of Pennsylvania.


Yeah but if I had said the state universities of Iowa and Pennsylvania I would have been saying ISU.  Seemed like a bigger faux pas to me and I wanted to be all fancy like. 
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Rockhard on September 12, 2012, 06:51:11 PM
Does this mean the boy will continue to wrestle? He has mad skills. It would be a shame to lose him.  8)

Lol he might come out of retirement now. :)
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: fuhr on September 12, 2012, 06:55:59 PM
Pat, if this is back at committee can changes be suggested?  Maybe take some time to get input and explore other avenues split season that could satisfy everyone.  Well more people at least, we know Rock will never be sasified.   :D



Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: AFHawk86 on September 12, 2012, 07:36:09 PM
Pat, if this is back at committee can changes be suggested?  Maybe take some time to get input and explore other avenues split season that could satisfy everyone.  Well more people at least, we know Rock will never be sasified.   :D
I'd be satisfied with carry over scoring.  I think that would be a good compromise to retain the prestige of the current championship while elevating the importance of duals.  The NCAA wrestling champion would be crowned based on points from both tourneys.  Although I've never heard/seen anything official from the NCAA, it doesn't appear that they're willing to entertain two wrestling champs.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: fuhr on September 12, 2012, 07:40:15 PM
I'm not against the idea but what scoring are we carrying over?  Who are the points from duals quantified into a number that will be added to the individual tourny points?


Does it become even more complicated for fans to enjoy?

Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: AFHawk86 on September 12, 2012, 07:45:03 PM
I'm not against the idea but what scoring are we carrying over?  Who are the points from duals quantified into a number that will be added to the individual tourny points?


Does it become even more complicated for fans to enjoy?
Yes, it would definitely be more complicated.  A point system would have to be created that awards points for placing at the Duals Tourney.  We could make it even more complicated by rewarding teams for margin of victory in addition to placement points.  I have no idea what a fair & accurate point system would look like.  100 points for 1st?  90 for 2nd?
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: fuhr on September 12, 2012, 07:57:16 PM
I'm not against the idea but what scoring are we carrying over?  Who are the points from duals quantified into a number that will be added to the individual tourny points?


Does it become even more complicated for fans to enjoy?
Yes, it would definitely be more complicated.  A point system would have to be created that awards points for placing at the Duals Tourney.  We could make it even more complicated by rewarding teams for margin of victory in addition to placement points.  I have no idea what a fair & accurate point system would look like.  100 points for 1st?  90 for 2nd?


KNow you're just spitballing but 10 point differences between 1 and 2 seem ok but if the 4th place team at duals is already 40 points down going into the individual tourney it really won't matter what happens.  Finding a way to reward the dual champ but not eliminate other squads would be very hard in a combined scoring model. 
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: AFHawk86 on September 12, 2012, 08:08:44 PM
I'm not against the idea but what scoring are we carrying over?  Who are the points from duals quantified into a number that will be added to the individual tourny points?


Does it become even more complicated for fans to enjoy?
Yes, it would definitely be more complicated.  A point system would have to be created that awards points for placing at the Duals Tourney.  We could make it even more complicated by rewarding teams for margin of victory in addition to placement points.  I have no idea what a fair & accurate point system would look like.  100 points for 1st?  90 for 2nd?


KNow you're just spitballing but 10 point differences between 1 and 2 seem ok but if the 4th place team at duals is already 40 points down going into the individual tourney it really won't matter what happens.  Finding a way to reward the dual champ but not eliminate other squads would be very hard in a combined scoring model.
I agree that it would be difficult.  Maybe 10 points between 1 and 2, and then 5 point difference after that.  As you identified I'm just spitballing ideas.  You're also correct that if a team doesn't place in the top 'x' at duals then they wouldn't have a shot at the overall title...as it should be IMHO.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: fuhr on September 12, 2012, 08:19:56 PM
That's where it get's tricky.  A team could lose 2 duals by 1 point each, place 4th, and be all but out of the running, but still have a very solid team that could crown multiple champions/AAs but have no real shot at making up ground.  It's an interesting idea and I'm not meaning to come off as dismissive I'm just trying to run it in my head. 



Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: ptoc-nwca on September 12, 2012, 08:33:20 PM
Pat, if this is back at committee can changes be suggested?  Maybe take some time to get input and explore other avenues split season that could satisfy everyone.  Well more people at least, we know Rock will never be sasified.   :D

I don't want to say too much right now until I know more.  I know what the cabinet said but not sure what it all means this moment.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: RYou on September 12, 2012, 08:36:13 PM
I suspect Roberts Rules of Order and lack thereof won out.

The new Rob Koll Bobblehead

(http://www.carterstore.com/upload/products/william_britain/31072-2.jpg)
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: AFHawk86 on September 12, 2012, 08:36:44 PM
That's where it get's tricky.  A team could lose 2 duals by 1 point each, place 4th, and be all but out of the running, but still have a very solid team that could crown multiple champions/AAs but have no real shot at making up ground.  It's an interesting idea and I'm not meaning to come off as dismissive I'm just trying to run it in my head.
Using this scenario, the 4th place team would have to make up 20 points to win the prize.  Using the following hypothetical Duals Championship results (I made some assumptions based on results including National Duals) and adding the points to the actual Individual Tourney:

Duals:
1. Minnesota 100
2. Ok State 90
3. PSU 85
4. Iowa 80
5. Cornell 75
6. tOSU 70

Individual:
1. PSU 143
2. Minny 117.5
3. Iowa 107.5
4. Cornell 102.5
5. tOSU 68.5
6. Ok State 66

Overall:
1. PSU 228
2. Minny 217.5
3. Iowa 187.5
4. Cornell 177.5
5. Ok State 156
6. tOSU 138.5

In this scenario the only difference would be 5th and 6th places, while Minnesota narrows the gap but still finishes 2nd.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: fuhr on September 12, 2012, 08:54:37 PM
IN that scenario i'm comfortable. 
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: AFHawk86 on September 12, 2012, 08:59:20 PM
I forgot to add Illinois who took 4th at Nat'l Duals.  It wouldn't have made much difference though. 
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Rockhard on September 13, 2012, 12:41:04 AM
I did get a good chuckle from Koll and Moyers comments after the NCAA tabled it. They basically said "yeah we need more time to discuss this."

I wonder if Mo bonked their heads together after that.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: hand fighter on September 13, 2012, 12:55:04 AM
I'm with you on that Fuhr. But i've been told by more than one D1 coach that a few coach's refuse to cooperate/contibute. One of the coach's and i quote" Cael and Tom are out on an island of their own!"
and what a large well funded island it is with a huge fan base that gives a crap about the wrestling teams
I thought that's what all this discusion was about, spreading the wealth and helping the small fish. Building the sport as a whole.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: vaisforlovers on September 13, 2012, 06:40:09 AM
Does this mean the boy will continue to wrestle? He has mad skills. It would be a shame to lose him.  8)

Lol he might come out of retirement now. :)
Hope you didnt spend too much money on the Jordans.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: jammen on September 13, 2012, 09:36:41 AM
I'd be satisfied with carry over scoring.  I think that would be a good compromise to retain the prestige of the current championship while elevating the importance of duals.  The NCAA wrestling champion would be crowned based on points from both tourneys.

And how could that ever pass with a super majority vote when the current minor proposal changes caused such a rebellion?
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: ronsnap on September 13, 2012, 09:57:01 AM
I'd be satisfied with carry over scoring.  I think that would be a good compromise to retain the prestige of the current championship while elevating the importance of duals.  The NCAA wrestling champion would be crowned based on points from both tourneys.

And how could that ever pass with a super majority vote when the current minor proposal changes caused such a rebellion?

Are you really an idiot or do you just play one on tyhe internet? 

First of all the proposal they made wasn't so "minor".  Second of all a little thought and contemplation can go a long way.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Ray Brinzer on September 13, 2012, 10:54:05 AM
Pat -

Who are the members of the Wrestling Committee, and how are they appointed?

Same question for the Championship Cabinet.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: ptoc-nwca on September 13, 2012, 11:34:47 AM
Pat -

Who are the members of the Wrestling Committee, and how are they appointed?

Same question for the Championship Cabinet.

I believe you can find a lot of the information you are looking for here: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Playing+Rules+Administration/NCAA+Rules+Sports/Wrestling/Playing+Rules/index.html

One of the new changes starting this year is that there is a rules committee and sports committee. The rules committee deals with only wrestling related rules.

I am not as familiar with the Championship Cabinet on the make up and how get appointed.

Thanks,
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Rockhard on September 13, 2012, 12:26:36 PM
Are we going to find out what the NCAA didn't like about the proposal?
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: ptoc-nwca on September 13, 2012, 12:29:47 PM
Are we going to find out what the NCAA didn't like about the proposal?

Yes, once we know everything
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Rockhard on September 13, 2012, 12:31:37 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Rockhard on September 13, 2012, 12:56:32 PM
Someone else brought this up, but the date they had set for the Duals, wasn't exactly a good one, The reason why a ton of our HS coaches and fans attend the current championships is because HS and MS wrestling is over. The duals would be hard pressed to get people to attend if there is still HS and MS wrestling going on.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Jason Bryant on September 13, 2012, 01:19:46 PM
Someone else brought this up, but the date they had set for the Duals, wasn't exactly a good one, The reason why a ton of our HS coaches and fans attend the current championships is because HS and MS wrestling is over. The duals would be hard pressed to get people to attend if there is still HS and MS wrestling going on.

On this point, I do agree.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Kingk0ng on September 13, 2012, 01:27:31 PM
Someone else brought this up, but the date they had set for the Duals, wasn't exactly a good one, The reason why a ton of our HS coaches and fans attend the current championships is because HS and MS wrestling is over. The duals would be hard pressed to get people to attend if there is still HS and MS wrestling going on.

On this point, I do agree.

Jeez, the apocalypse must surely be upon us....
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Rockhard on September 13, 2012, 01:30:12 PM
Someone else brought this up, but the date they had set for the Duals, wasn't exactly a good one, The reason why a ton of our HS coaches and fans attend the current championships is because HS and MS wrestling is over. The duals would be hard pressed to get people to attend if there is still HS and MS wrestling going on.

On this point, I do agree.

I never really thought about it until someone yesterday brought it up. For instance, we have our state tournament in most cases, the last weekend of Feb. Districts/Regionals the week before. Then the weekend after state, MS Regionals(highly attended by HS coaches), then their state tournament*highly attended by HS coaches as well). I know CA is a week after ours and WA is a week before. I also assume, most other states are around the same time, with the exception to Alaska.

If you want coaches/parents/wrestlers to attend, some have suggested having it after the individual tournament. Maybe that's been the problem this whole time. Not that the NCAA needs to sanction it, but the date of the National Duals being too soon.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Rockhard on September 13, 2012, 01:30:47 PM
Someone else brought this up, but the date they had set for the Duals, wasn't exactly a good one, The reason why a ton of our HS coaches and fans attend the current championships is because HS and MS wrestling is over. The duals would be hard pressed to get people to attend if there is still HS and MS wrestling going on.

On this point, I do agree.

Jeez, the apocalypse must surely be upon us....

LOL Believe it or not, JB and I have had beers together.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: fuhr on September 13, 2012, 01:43:44 PM
"beers" that's a cute euphemism for it I guess.   :D
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: SetonHallPirate on September 13, 2012, 02:10:39 PM
http://ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2012/september/di+cabinet+approves+new+selection+process+for+swimming

"Dual-match format in wrestling

The cabinet reviewed a proposal to change the team component of the Division I Wrestling Championships to a dual-match format. During a lengthy discussion, cabinet members expressed both cautious optimism for the proposal and concerns that the concept may not have been fully developed with Division I coaches (based on feedback cabinet members received before the meeting). In addition, the cabinet acknowledged challenges related to considering budget requests in the middle of a budget cycle.

The proposal called for the selection of 16 teams (nine automatic qualifiers and seven at-large selections) in the second week of February. The first round would have been conducted the following week at eight campus sites with the participating schools incurring the expenses.

The eight winners would have advanced to the finals site a week later (third week of February), where the quarterfinals and semifinals would have been conducted on the first day. The consolation and the championship dual matches would have been on the second day at the finals site. Individual weight-class national champions would be held in the third week of March.

The cabinet voted to refer the concept back to the Wrestling Committee for additional development. Specifically, the cabinet wants additional feedback on how the proposed championship would affect the current championship, information on the views of the NCAA’s media partner(s), and an analysis of the budget impact related to the championship’s current budget. In addition, the cabinet requested results from a survey of Division I wrestling coaches and input from student-athletes."
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Rockhard on September 13, 2012, 02:15:23 PM
So the NCAA wants data that backs the proponents assertions. Novel concept.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Ray Brinzer on September 13, 2012, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: NCAA
In addition, the cabinet requested results from a survey of Division I wrestling coaches and input from student-athletes."

Oh, yeah... those guys.

Count me as surprised and somewhat impressed.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: SetonHallPirate on September 13, 2012, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: NCAA
In addition, the cabinet requested results from a survey of Division I wrestling coaches and input from student-athletes."

Oh, yeah... those guys.

Count me as surprised and somewhat impressed.
Good one Ray!
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: RYou on September 13, 2012, 05:32:57 PM
"Specifically, the cabinet wants additional feedback on how the proposed championship would affect the current championship,

information on the views of the NCAA’s media partner(s),........

In other words, what will ESPN pay for the tournament rights and how will the title format change the financial picture of the individual tournament.

I think they also need to consider allowing teams not in the "Sweaty Sixteen" to schedule duals during the two week tournament period.  What can amount to three weeks off before conference tournaments may be too long a layoff.

The need for the PAC 10 to completely reschedule their conf tournament is merely an after thought.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: RYou on September 13, 2012, 05:41:19 PM
Quote from: NCAA
In addition, the cabinet requested results from a survey of Division I wrestling coaches and input from student-athletes."

Oh, yeah... those guys.

Count me as surprised and somewhat impressed.

I wonder how this change could affect recruiting and recruit team selection, for those perceived to be a notch lower in potential than the top tier recruits. - Do you target a school that you feel will lead you to an individual title, or a "team" powerhouse that is most likely to get you a team championship?  They may not necessarily be the same teams / coaches since head to head dual match ups often produce different results than the team title from an individual tournament.

Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: Wire on September 14, 2012, 06:15:01 AM
Quote from: NCAA
In addition, the cabinet requested results from a survey of Division I wrestling coaches and input from student-athletes."

Oh, yeah... those guys.

Count me as surprised and somewhat impressed.

Ray ... I asked this same question a week or so ago ... Where and when was the input from the wrestlers considered ?? Because i would bet $$ they favored the Individual event, over the Duals.
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: The Du on September 14, 2012, 10:31:11 AM
I did get a good chuckle from Koll and Moyers comments after the NCAA tabled it. They basically said "yeah we need more time to discuss this."

I wonder if Mo bonked their heads together after that.

where was this at, rock
Title: Re: NCAA Cabinet Says-----
Post by: ptoc-nwca on September 14, 2012, 12:40:47 PM
I did get a good chuckle from Koll and Moyers comments after the NCAA tabled it. They basically said "yeah we need more time to discuss this."

I wonder if Mo bonked their heads together after that.

where was this at, rock

I think this was the article: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20120912/sports/120912024/ncaa-committee-tables-national-duals-proposal?archive