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Miscellaneous => Polls => Topic started by: Intensity guru on December 27, 2014, 12:23:51 AM

Title: American Exceptionalism
Post by: Intensity guru on December 27, 2014, 12:23:51 AM
interested in your reasoning as well if you'd care to share it.
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: TobusRex on December 27, 2014, 10:28:38 AM
Only an imbecile would vote yes.
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: Ray Brinzer on December 27, 2014, 01:31:38 PM
Absolutely.

Quote from: Winston Zeddemore
Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say "YES"!
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: ctc on December 27, 2014, 01:40:23 PM
Voted "yes"; but, it is fading quickly due to over reaching government and deplorable schools since the tumble in 1963.
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: buck on December 27, 2014, 07:56:12 PM
 What is it, exactly, that we are an exception to?
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: ocianain on December 28, 2014, 01:23:16 PM
Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: Cougar1 on December 28, 2014, 04:02:25 PM
Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw

Not at all oc. The Declaration of Indepenence, Constitution and Bill of Rights are some of the most unique documents in human history and they represent the foundation that this nation was built on. We have a lot to do to get back to the basics but our beginnings were nothing but exceptional.
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: ocianain on December 28, 2014, 07:51:02 PM
The idea of American Exceptionalism came from the Pilgrims, they came to America (after getting kicked out of Endland and the Neatherlands), to pefect the Church in the wilderness, when this was accomplished they would then go forth into Cannan (anywhere people didn't think like them), and convert them. As Puritan religious fervor faded this doctrine morphed into a political one. The founding documents you mentioned were really attempts at constraining the totalitarian religious impulse of the Yankees. They have failed; but you're correct Cougar, if we returned to those constraints we'd all be better off.
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: ocianain on December 28, 2014, 07:51:44 PM
Should be Puritans, not Pilgrims.
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: brycemus on December 29, 2014, 09:51:50 AM
hey I think we do some exceptional things...like Ice Cream Sundays and um...Kate Upton....
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: ViseGrip on December 29, 2014, 11:44:12 AM
One good indication of our exceptionalism is the vast number of people willing to break our laws to get in here. And as far as I know, there has been no other nation to have so many want to come here as evidenced by the mass migration from 1850 to 1930. What other nation is so generous with it's charity? In fact, one of the best things another nation can do for itself is to declare war against us, lose, and wait for the financial windfall. Is this to say we havent made mistakes, of course not, but to weigh the pros and cons and not come up with a significant, and yes exceptional, positive balance is to go into the endeavor with blinders.
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: mspart on January 05, 2015, 10:05:11 PM
Where is the breadbasket of the world?  Where do most all the major ideas and innovation come from?  America is exceptional.  I might be an idiot but there's a reason we have the Statue of Liberty among the founding documents that we have. 

mspart
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: heelpick on January 06, 2015, 05:40:54 PM
I am sure there are other pretty cool places to live as well.
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: ViseGrip on January 06, 2015, 05:52:47 PM
I am sure there are other pretty cool places to live as well.

Which one(s) would you rather live in than the US?
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: heelpick on January 06, 2015, 06:35:05 PM
Hard to say.  If family wasn't the limiting factor I would look into the Bahamas or perhaps Cayman Islands. 
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: ViseGrip on January 07, 2015, 11:42:28 AM
Im interested in knowing which nation has done more to help other nations than the US. Sure, we've made mistakes in the past, so feel free to make it a net assessment.
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: ctc on January 08, 2015, 09:41:25 AM
Hard to say.  If family wasn't the limiting factor I would look into the Bahamas or perhaps Cayman Islands.
Good call on the Cayman Islands.  They are now doing capitalism much better than the US.  They don't have all the ridiculous regulations.
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: heelpick on January 08, 2015, 03:22:35 PM
I would go to the Cayman's for the diving and nice weather.  Granted there is the hurricane risk but natural disasters are a risk just about anywhere.
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: Ray Brinzer on January 08, 2015, 03:43:28 PM
Im interested in knowing which nation has done more to help other nations than the US. Sure, we've made mistakes in the past, so feel free to make it a net assessment.

We have a very big cup, and we definitely deserve credit for the half that's full.  There aren't too many other nations which have done more to screw with other nations' affairs, either; "we've made mistakes" understates the matter dramatically.  We're definitely the exception to most rules; if that was consistently good, we'd be the shining city on a hill that we ought to be.
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: mspart on January 09, 2015, 10:02:53 AM
I misquoted myself upon a second reading.  Let me fix that:

Where is the breadbasket of the world?  Where do most all the major ideas and innovation come from?  America is exceptional.  I might be an idiot but there's a reason we have the Statue of Liberty, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution etc.  There's a reason people clamor to get here.  Even in the 1600's and 1700's, it was recognized that life was much better in America than anywhere else, at least from a European standpoint.   

mspart
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: ViseGrip on January 09, 2015, 01:16:17 PM
Im interested in knowing which nation has done more to help other nations than the US. Sure, we've made mistakes in the past, so feel free to make it a net assessment.

We have a very big cup, and we definitely deserve credit for the half that's full.  There aren't too many other nations which have done more to screw with other nations' affairs, either; "we've made mistakes" understates the matter dramatically.  We're definitely the exception to most rules; if that was consistently good, we'd be the shining city on a hill that we ought to be.

USSR, Germany, Japan, UK, France, Italy...  all the way back to the Roman Empire and before.  All powerful nations "screw" with other nations. I would maintain that given our power, we didnt use it as aggressively as most if not any of the others. Keep in mind, we dont know the world wouldnt be in worse shape if we didnt. Or yes better if we didnt, but I believe the net result of our "meddling" has been positive.
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: ctc on January 09, 2015, 07:04:23 PM
Im interested in knowing which nation has done more to help other nations than the US. Sure, we've made mistakes in the past, so feel free to make it a net assessment.

We have a very big cup, and we definitely deserve credit for the half that's full.  There aren't too many other nations which have done more to screw with other nations' affairs, either; "we've made mistakes" understates the matter dramatically.  We're definitely the exception to most rules; if that was consistently good, we'd be the shining city on a hill that we ought to be.
Nope, there is always the envious.
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: a guest on January 09, 2015, 10:07:19 PM
Not sure if this is off topic or not, but:

The first time I was living overseas, I lived in Australia. During that time,there was an essence that if any Aussie did something remarkable (win an Oscar, earn a gold medal at the Olympics, win a Nobel, etc.) then the feeling was "Our Kate Blanchet won the Oscar." or "Our very own Dr. Smith was given the Nobel for inventing 'spay on skin'."

There was a sense of pride when their own citizens do well outside of their country. The same was true in other countries I have lived in.

In the US, we don't get the same sense of pride when one of our own succeeds on the global scale.  It's almost as if it is expected that we are to be the best at something.  Does it make us complacent? Does it make us less prideful as a nation if we are expected to succeed?

If there is such as a thing as "American Exceptionalism," has it made us actually less proud of our fellow citizens?

I wonder if we need a new "Moon Landing" to get us all jazzed up again.
Title: Re: American Exceptionalism
Post by: TobusRex on January 14, 2015, 10:47:04 AM
Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw
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Hmmm...that sounds familiar for some reason.