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Title: Server Issues
Post by: Ray Brinzer on October 23, 2015, 06:44:17 PM
As many of you have noticed, we were down this morning.

To make a long story short, we had an issue with the server.  We're awaiting further communication from our hosting service.  It does not appear that the problems are altogether resolved:  we just had a reboot, and were down for several minutes.  I can see that someone is logged in at the machine's console.  So, work appears to be continuing.

I don't expect more major downtime, though the chance does exist.  As well, a server migration is probably coming up in the near future.  We'll try to minimize downtime when that happens.  If things go well, you won't notice.
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: mspart on October 23, 2015, 06:49:05 PM
Thanks for working this Ray.  I'm sure I speak for all of us. 

mspart
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: n9531l on October 24, 2015, 12:59:36 AM
I noticed it was down, and assumed Ray was behind it on top of it.
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: SingletSlinger on October 24, 2015, 04:54:09 PM
why does it seem this site is down at least once a month?
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: brycemus on October 24, 2015, 07:15:38 PM
I feel like this is the first time it's been down in a while, at leaSt 3 or 4 months. And I am on every day
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: Rockhard on October 27, 2015, 07:28:53 PM
why does it seem this site is down at least once a month?

Its on its period.
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: ViseGrip on October 27, 2015, 11:26:39 PM
why does it seem this site is down at least once a month?

Its not... its just you.
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: n9531l on October 28, 2015, 04:34:02 AM
Who would have thought brycemus would have the only post in the last three with "it's" spelled right?
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: ViseGrip on October 28, 2015, 10:34:51 AM
Who would have thought brycemus would have the only post in the last three with "it's" spelled right?

Bob... this is the internet... apostrophes don't matter
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: mspart on November 02, 2015, 12:53:15 PM
It is a funny term when it comes to the English contraction specification.  According to the specification the following applies:

1.  When you are using "it" in terms of a possessive as in the ball belongs to it, there is no apostrophe, it is simply spelled its.

2.  When you are contracting "it" and "is" together, you use the apostrophe to symbolize the missing i from is as in it's.  You could say it is at the store or it's at the store.

This from the extremely long and fruitless to read English spelling specification handbook that is at 8 font, single space, 3000 pages long. 

mspart

 
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: n9531l on November 02, 2015, 03:29:40 PM
I hope the handbook didn't forget to tell you about "it's" for "it has".
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: Ray Brinzer on November 02, 2015, 08:54:32 PM
It is a funny term when it comes to the English contraction specification.  According to the specification the following applies:

1.  When you are using "it" in terms of a possessive as in the ball belongs to it, there is no apostrophe, it is simply spelled its.

2.  When you are contracting "it" and "is" together, you use the apostrophe to symbolize the missing i from is as in it's.  You could say it is at the store or it's at the store.

Honestly, this is one of our dumbest rules.  We use apostrophes for both contractions and the possessive... except for "it".  There we decide not to follow the rule to add the apostrophe in the case of the possessive, apparently to avoid ambiguity.  The same ambiguity exists for "Jim's", or "dog's"... we just don't care.  "It" has to be special, for some reason.  And unfortunately, it's not at all practical to decline to participate, because if you don't follow the rule, it just looks like you're making a mistake.
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: n9531l on November 03, 2015, 12:02:10 AM
Pronouns have a different way of forming the possessive than nouns. For pronouns we don't add 's. We write my, your, its, our, their, whose instead of I's, you's, it's, we's, they's, who's.

That does lead people to confuse its with it's and whose with who's and their with they're.
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: Ray Brinzer on November 03, 2015, 12:04:36 AM
Pronouns have a different way of forming the possessive than nouns.  For pronouns we don't add 's. We write my, your, its, our, their, whose instead of I's, you's, it's, we's, they's, who's.

Yes, the rest are actually morphologically irregular.  If the genitive of it was ites, I wouldn't complain.
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: n9531l on November 03, 2015, 01:32:02 AM
Seems you were born too late to obviate that complaint.
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Possessive its  was originally formed with an apostrophe in the 17th century, but this was dropped in the early 19th century, presumably to make it more similar to the other personal pronoun possessives.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_possessive
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: mspart on November 04, 2015, 12:46:53 PM
Hey - the rules are very simple.  For example, i before e except after c and except when there is some other exception not specifically listed.  Spanish spelling is really easy compared to English spelling. 

Hawaiian is easier yet!!  The Hawaiian alphabet has 13 letters: five vowels (long and short) and eight consonants, one of them being a glottal stop (called  Ľokina in Hawaiian).  Pronounciation is another matter when they create very long words.  Puahi, Kamehameha, Mauna Loa, Honolulu are fairly easy. 

Names such as Janice 'Lokelani' Keihanaikukauakahihuliheekahaunaele are a bit more difficult.  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2418171/Janice-Keihanaikukauakahihuliheekahaunaele-Hawaiian-woman-told-trim-long-doesnt-fit-state-ID-cards.html

mspart
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: n9531l on November 05, 2015, 12:42:19 AM
Certainly easier than Japanese, although there are only 2,136 kanji characters you have to learn to get through high school. Of course, there are another 983 used only in people's names that you really should know too.

If you think the last few posts have been off topic, consider that we couldn't make these posts if the server were down.
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: Ray Brinzer on November 05, 2015, 09:02:26 AM
Hey - the rules are very simple.  For example, i before e except after c and except when there is some other exception not specifically listed.  Spanish spelling is really easy compared to English spelling. 

Hawaiian is easier yet!!  The Hawaiian alphabet has 13 letters: five vowels (long and short) and eight consonants, one of them being a glottal stop (called  Ľokina in Hawaiian).  Pronounciation is another matter when they create very long words.  Puahi, Kamehameha, Mauna Loa, Honolulu are fairly easy.

As I see it, we need more letters, not fewer.  There are about 44 phonemes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_phonology#Phonemes), or basic sounds, in English.  Having fewer letters than sounds, you have to compensate with workarounds like multigraphs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multigraph_%28orthography%29) (i.e. groups of letters which form a single sound).
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: ViseGrip on November 05, 2015, 11:03:55 AM
Certainly easier than Japanese, although there are only 2,136 kanji characters you have to learn to get through high school. Of course, there are another 983 used only in people's names that you really should know too.

If you think the last few posts have been off topic, consider that we couldn't make these posts if the server were down.
This has always made me wonder about their keyboards. How many characters are on a typical Japanese or Chinese computer keyboard?
Title: Re: Server Issues
Post by: n9531l on November 05, 2015, 03:07:47 PM
For the Japanese, nowadays their keyboards usually look like ours. Not sure about the Chinese.

http://ethw.org/Word_Processing_for_the_Japanese_Language