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Title: McGregor
Post by: brycemus on December 13, 2015, 12:52:20 AM
is a bad man.  also Aldo walked right into that.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: fsgrecofolk on December 13, 2015, 01:42:52 AM
13 seconds?  I don't care for mma but if I paid for that fight I would be demanding a refund.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: ocianain on December 13, 2015, 11:59:51 AM
is a bad man.  also Aldo walked right into that.

Agreed. I was wondering how Conor would hang with Aldo. I was expecting a war. Conor simply smashed him. The elite strikers in MMA are just getting better and better, Rockhold also impressed against a talented striker.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: red viking on December 13, 2015, 12:03:29 PM
I think McGregor has to be close to, if not #1 PFP. I know he hasn't even defended the belt once but he's been so dominant in all his recent matches.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: a guest on December 13, 2015, 10:46:32 PM
Aldo was completely dry. Did he even warm up in the dressing room?

I assumed it would be Aldo who through the first leg-kick, not Conor.

Aldo simply launched himself with a punch and was counted. I didn't even see the punch land and I first though he tripped.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: ocianain on December 14, 2015, 06:22:14 AM
Aldo was completely dry. Did he even warm up in the dressing room?

I assumed it would be Aldo who through the first leg-kick, not Conor.

Aldo simply launched himself with a punch and was counted. I didn't even see the punch land and I first though he tripped.

It appeared to me he lunged and threw a right, Conor deflected the incoming right with his right; and came over with his left. Reminded me of Tyson v Spinks.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: buck on December 15, 2015, 12:31:42 PM
Frankie Edger has a good shot at beating McGregor, hopefully he gets a shot.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: ocianain on December 15, 2015, 10:02:36 PM
Frankie Edger has a good shot at beating McGregor, hopefully he gets a shot.

I would love to see that fight! Frankie has nice skills; he doesn't lunge in, has footwork, can slip a jab.....could be interesting!
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: a guest on December 16, 2015, 12:04:07 PM
Frankie also has great cardio.  He easily can go 5 rounds. I am not sure if Conor can.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: ocianain on December 16, 2015, 05:18:00 PM
Frankie also has great cardio.  He easily can go 5 rounds. I am not sure if Conor can.

Good point regarding cardio! I also worry about some of the theatrics/draws Conor uses. Throwing hands wide, sticking out the chin, I hate that stuff. Bad habits become second nature and are hard to stop and control. You can do that kind of stuff against lesser talents, but if you do it against someone with footwork and hands you're getting smashed. Ask Silva.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: red viking on December 17, 2015, 07:53:26 PM
Frankie also has great cardio.  He easily can go 5 rounds. I am not sure if Conor can.

Conor seems to have pretty good endurance. He did go 3 rounds w/ Holloway who is a top fighter and looked pretty fresh the entire match.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: MetsFan on December 18, 2015, 09:36:20 AM
Frankie also has great cardio.  He easily can go 5 rounds. I am not sure if Conor can.

Conor seems to have pretty good endurance. He did go 3 rounds w/ Holloway who is a top fighter and looked pretty fresh the entire match.

There's a difference between a 3-round fight and a 5-round fight though ... 2 rounds to be exact.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: ocianain on December 18, 2015, 08:17:53 PM
Frankie also has great cardio.  He easily can go 5 rounds. I am not sure if Conor can.

Conor seems to have pretty good endurance. He did go 3 rounds w/ Holloway who is a top fighter and looked pretty fresh the entire match.

There's a difference between a 3-round fight and a 5-round fight though ... 2 rounds to be exact.

This is what worries me, on one hand, Conor showed me more skills than I thought he had, on the other, he showboats. I'm flummoxed regarding his future.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: red viking on December 18, 2015, 09:13:05 PM
Frankie also has great cardio.  He easily can go 5 rounds. I am not sure if Conor can.

Conor seems to have pretty good endurance. He did go 3 rounds w/ Holloway who is a top fighter and looked pretty fresh the entire match.

There's a difference between a 3-round fight and a 5-round fight though ... 2 rounds to be exact.

Yes, but the point is that he hasn't ever shown any significant fatigue so there is no reason whatsoever to doubt his endurance in a 5-round fight other than the fact that he hasn't had to go that far yet. It's not like fighters all of a sudden hit a wall at the beginning of round 4. They also tend to pace themselves, at least a little bit. In other words, the pace of the fight is usually at least a little slower in a fight that is scheduled for 5 than a fight that is scheduled for 3, especially in rounds 2 and 3. If you're concerned about his ability to go 5 rounds, you're digging pretty deep for concerns.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: leglace on December 20, 2015, 05:33:55 PM
If nothing else Conor has shown to be about the smartest MMA fighter I have ever watched. He studies the fight game instead of just his oponent. He understands the importance of timing, body punches, head movement. It's scary that mma has so many supposed boxing trainers yet so few mma fighters understand the sweet science. Frankie has an old school boxing trainer in Mark Henry. Frankie understands these things. But Conor has mastered all the elements of the fight game. He is composed, uses his reach, uses kicks to throw you off your offense. He is difficult.

 Frankie has has takedowns to threaten him with and good enough boxing to hang with him standing up and possibly outlanding him. But I think it would come down to whether Frankie can take Conor down when he needs to. Frankie is not one to force it. He follows the gamepla gamepla gamepla other. It would be a chess match that I would enjoy.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: ocianain on December 20, 2015, 05:45:00 PM
If nothing else Conor has shown to be about the smartest MMA fighter I have ever watched. He studies the fight game instead of just his oponent. He understands the importance of timing, body punches, head movement. It's scary that mma has so many supposed boxing trainers yet so few mma fighters understand the sweet science. Frankie has an old school boxing trainer in Mark Henry. Frankie understands these things. But Conor has mastered all the elements of the fight game. He is composed, uses his reach, uses kicks to throw you off your offense. He is difficult.

 Frankie has has takedowns to threaten him with and good enough boxing to hang with him standing up and possibly outlanding him. But I think it would come down to whether Frankie can take Conor down when he needs to. Frankie is not one to force it. He follows the gamepla gamepla gamepla other. It would be a chess match that I would enjoy.

Your criticism of MMA boxing trainers and Conor's savy is spot on. As are your observation regarding Frankie, Edgar slipped BJ's jab, he can slip Conor's (though he does seem to spend too much time under the jab). Conor has a very good camp, lot's of people still fight in Ireland, there's lots of knowledgeable trainers. MMA boxers think there is a difference between MMA boxing and boxing. There is, most MMA boxers are still of a low level, they still lack footwork, head movement etc...There are exceptions of course, Conor, Frankie, the Diaz bros.....generally speaking though, stand up is still weak.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: MetsFan on December 28, 2015, 09:41:25 AM
Frankie also has great cardio.  He easily can go 5 rounds. I am not sure if Conor can.

Conor seems to have pretty good endurance. He did go 3 rounds w/ Holloway who is a top fighter and looked pretty fresh the entire match.

There's a difference between a 3-round fight and a 5-round fight though ... 2 rounds to be exact.

Yes, but the point is that he hasn't ever shown any significant fatigue so there is no reason whatsoever to doubt his endurance in a 5-round fight other than the fact that he hasn't had to go that far yet. It's not like fighters all of a sudden hit a wall at the beginning of round 4. They also tend to pace themselves, at least a little bit. In other words, the pace of the fight is usually at least a little slower in a fight that is scheduled for 5 than a fight that is scheduled for 3, especially in rounds 2 and 3. If you're concerned about his ability to go 5 rounds, you're digging pretty deep for concerns.

It can be as much, or more, psychological than it is physical.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: red viking on December 30, 2015, 03:32:17 PM
Frankie also has great cardio.  He easily can go 5 rounds. I am not sure if Conor can.

Conor seems to have pretty good endurance. He did go 3 rounds w/ Holloway who is a top fighter and looked pretty fresh the entire match.

There's a difference between a 3-round fight and a 5-round fight though ... 2 rounds to be exact.

Yes, but the point is that he hasn't ever shown any significant fatigue so there is no reason whatsoever to doubt his endurance in a 5-round fight other than the fact that he hasn't had to go that far yet. It's not like fighters all of a sudden hit a wall at the beginning of round 4. They also tend to pace themselves, at least a little bit. In other words, the pace of the fight is usually at least a little slower in a fight that is scheduled for 5 than a fight that is scheduled for 3, especially in rounds 2 and 3. If you're concerned about his ability to go 5 rounds, you're digging pretty deep for concerns.

It can be as much, or more, psychological than it is physical.

Agreed, but there is still no indication that McGregor is going to have a problem with a 5-rounder, from what I can see. He's had 2 scheduled 5 round fights so far and I wouldn't say that he looked psychologically weak during those 2 fights, do you?
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: ocianain on December 30, 2015, 05:48:53 PM
Fatigue makes cowards of us all. - Vince Lombardi
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: MetsFan on December 31, 2015, 12:30:34 PM
Frankie also has great cardio.  He easily can go 5 rounds. I am not sure if Conor can.

Conor seems to have pretty good endurance. He did go 3 rounds w/ Holloway who is a top fighter and looked pretty fresh the entire match.

There's a difference between a 3-round fight and a 5-round fight though ... 2 rounds to be exact.

Yes, but the point is that he hasn't ever shown any significant fatigue so there is no reason whatsoever to doubt his endurance in a 5-round fight other than the fact that he hasn't had to go that far yet. It's not like fighters all of a sudden hit a wall at the beginning of round 4. They also tend to pace themselves, at least a little bit. In other words, the pace of the fight is usually at least a little slower in a fight that is scheduled for 5 than a fight that is scheduled for 3, especially in rounds 2 and 3. If you're concerned about his ability to go 5 rounds, you're digging pretty deep for concerns.

It can be as much, or more, psychological than it is physical.

Agreed, but there is still no indication that McGregor is going to have a problem with a 5-rounder, from what I can see. He's had 2 scheduled 5 round fights so far and I wouldn't say that he looked psychologically weak during those 2 fights, do you?

He never made it to the 4th or 5th round in those fights.  His reaction to actually being in the championship rounds is yet to be seen.  People can have emotional responses to stuff like that, and the emotional response can trigger a physical reaction (such as an adrenaline dump).  In cases like that, no matter how strong their cardio is, they're going to perform differently.  Or, believing his own hype and not really expecting to have to go 5 rounds and then finding himself there, in a war .. how does he respond?  No one knows until it actually happens.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: red viking on January 01, 2016, 05:48:12 PM
OK, I know he's never been to the 4th round. I'm just saying there is no indication yet that that is going to be a problem for him.

An adrenaline dump between rounds 3 & 4? I don't think so.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: leglace on January 02, 2016, 09:41:25 AM
I think if he is going to be pressured for 3 rounds, having someone crank on his necks, having to follow constant movement, those rounds take a greater toll on you. Thats what I think he would face with Frankie. I am not saying it would break him. It would weaken him for sure. It's what Cain also excels at.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: red viking on January 05, 2016, 09:16:22 PM
I think if he is going to be pressured for 3 rounds, having someone crank on his necks, having to follow constant movement, those rounds take a greater toll on you. Thats what I think he would face with Frankie. I am not saying it would break him. It would weaken him for sure. It's what Cain also excels at.

He might wear Frankie down too.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: MetsFan on January 06, 2016, 10:35:53 AM
I think if he is going to be pressured for 3 rounds, having someone crank on his necks, having to follow constant movement, those rounds take a greater toll on you. Thats what I think he would face with Frankie. I am not saying it would break him. It would weaken him for sure. It's what Cain also excels at.

He might wear Frankie down too.

Because Frankie has shown indications of wearing down in 5-round fights?
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: red viking on January 08, 2016, 08:12:55 AM
I think if he is going to be pressured for 3 rounds, having someone crank on his necks, having to follow constant movement, those rounds take a greater toll on you. Thats what I think he would face with Frankie. I am not saying it would break him. It would weaken him for sure. It's what Cain also excels at.

He might wear Frankie down too.

Because Frankie has shown indications of wearing down in 5-round fights?

Because 1) there's no indication whatsoever that McGregor has endurance issues and 2) McGregor might punish him so badly that he does wear down.

You just don't know for sure. You can't say that Edgar has a big endurance advantage over him just because nobody has been able to survive past round against McGregor in a 5 round fight. He PROBABLY has an endurance edge but if you get hit enough times (including McGregor's leg kicks to the gut) that advantage can also go away.

Looks like it will be a while anyway since McGregor appears to be fighting Dos Anjos next.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: leglace on January 10, 2016, 03:49:39 PM
I think if he is going to be pressured for 3 rounds, having someone crank on his necks, having to follow constant movement, those rounds take a greater toll on you. Thats what I think he would face with Frankie. I am not saying it would break him. It would weaken him for sure. It's what Cain also excels at.

He might wear Frankie down too.

Because Frankie has shown indications of wearing down in 5-round fights?

Because 1) there's no indication whatsoever that McGregor has endurance issues and 2) McGregor might punish him so badly that he does wear down.

You just don't know for sure. You can't say that Edgar has a big endurance advantage over him just because nobody has been able to survive past round against McGregor in a 5 round fight. He PROBABLY has an endurance edge but if you get hit enough times (including McGregor's leg kicks to the gut) that advantage can also go away.

Looks like it will be a while anyway since McGregor appears to be fighting Dos Anjos next.

Because that is what Frankie is known to do to fighters whether they are known or not known to have a good gas tank. There is cardiovascular stamina, muscle stamina, and mental stamina at play when you have a guy who can get on top of you and make you breathe with the weight of your oponents hips on you. Non wrestlers are more suspect to be broken if they are not able to stop the takedowns.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: brycemus on January 11, 2016, 11:31:32 AM
I liked him taking that POS Mayweather to task for using him in racism rant.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: red viking on January 12, 2016, 07:33:58 PM
You guys are implying that Edgar will wear McGregor down simply because that is what Edgar does a lot, even though nobody has ever come close do doing that to McGregor before. You are making half of a case so I don't consider it very strong.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: leglace on January 12, 2016, 08:49:29 PM
You guys are implying that Edgar will wear McGregor down simply because that is what Edgar does a lot, even though nobody has ever come close do doing that to McGregor before. You are making half of a case so I don't consider it very strong.

Nobody is implying that it will definitely happen. Just certain people feel confident it would happen. Nothing more than opinion based on people's known strengths.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: MetsFan on January 13, 2016, 11:14:26 AM
You guys are implying that Edgar will wear McGregor down simply because that is what Edgar does a lot, even though nobody has ever come close do doing that to McGregor before. You are making half of a case so I don't consider it very strong.

My only point is that Edgar has proven that he can go 5 rounds in a war.  McGregor has not.  Your thought that he will not have a problem is speculation based on how he's done in fights not going that far ... which is really what's half of a case (or less).
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: red viking on January 14, 2016, 07:48:50 AM
You guys are implying that Edgar will wear McGregor down simply because that is what Edgar does a lot, even though nobody has ever come close do doing that to McGregor before. You are making half of a case so I don't consider it very strong.

My only point is that Edgar has proven that he can go 5 rounds in a war.  McGregor has not.  Your thought that he will not have a problem is speculation based on how he's done in fights not going that far ... which is really what's half of a case (or less).

I think it is possible that that will happen. Sounds like you are saying the same thing. I just think there is <50% chance. Maybe you think it is a little more than 50%.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: leglace on January 17, 2016, 04:33:57 PM
You guys are implying that Edgar will wear McGregor down simply because that is what Edgar does a lot, even though nobody has ever come close do doing that to McGregor before. You are making half of a case so I don't consider it very strong.

My only point is that Edgar has proven that he can go 5 rounds in a war.  McGregor has not.  Your thought that he will not have a problem is speculation based on how he's done in fights not going that far ... which is really what's half of a case (or less).

I think it is possible that that will happen. Sounds like you are saying the same thing. I just think there is <50% chance. Maybe you think it is a little more than 50%.

Considering a weight cut that is greater than about every featherweight, and the fact that Edgar, who excels in a grinding 5 round fight, and Mcgregor who hasn't proven that he can yet.

It's like a knockout puncher in boxing fighting anybody. You assume he is likely to KO his oponent until the oponent shows he can take a punch really well.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: red viking on January 20, 2016, 06:09:20 PM
You guys are implying that Edgar will wear McGregor down simply because that is what Edgar does a lot, even though nobody has ever come close do doing that to McGregor before. You are making half of a case so I don't consider it very strong.

My only point is that Edgar has proven that he can go 5 rounds in a war.  McGregor has not.  Your thought that he will not have a problem is speculation based on how he's done in fights not going that far ... which is really what's half of a case (or less).

I think it is possible that that will happen. Sounds like you are saying the same thing. I just think there is <50% chance. Maybe you think it is a little more than 50%.

Considering a weight cut that is greater than about every featherweight, and the fact that Edgar, who excels in a grinding 5 round fight, and Mcgregor who hasn't proven that he can yet.

It's like a knockout puncher in boxing fighting anybody. You assume he is likely to KO his oponent until the oponent shows he can take a punch really well.

I look at other aspects of the other boxer before making that assumption.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: red viking on January 20, 2016, 06:12:16 PM
Lets put it this way. I'd be willing to bet money (not here though) or a sig bet that, if McGregor fights Edgar, he either wins round 5 or finishes Edgar off before he can ever get that far.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: leglace on March 06, 2016, 10:52:09 AM
Well RV, there you have it. A fresh McGregor, full camp, no cut, gassed in the 2nd round. He admitted it.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: ocianain on March 06, 2016, 11:34:22 AM
Well RV, there you have it. A fresh McGregor, full camp, no cut, gassed in the 2nd round. He admitted it.

You are correct! He was hurting at the end of the 1st. He shot in the 2nd to end the beating he was taking. He'd rather go out to a submission. He has no business at 170. He'll have his hands full at 155.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: red viking on March 06, 2016, 03:40:28 PM
My bet still stands. He either wins the 5th round against Edgar or finishes Edgar before it gets that far.

I don't know if he gassed. He was definitely hurt. He set a furious pace in the 1st round like he always does.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: leglace on March 06, 2016, 05:50:32 PM
He was significantly slower at the start of the 2nd round. That's when he started getting tagged. He said that he didn't use his energy efficiently and was slowing down. I wouldn say he was gassed. But he was starting to.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: MetsFan on March 07, 2016, 04:09:12 PM
How many people are gonna throw out the "well, he went up TWO weight classes argument?"  For god sake ... NO, he didn't.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: leglace on March 09, 2016, 07:12:52 AM
They both weighed in under 170, which suggests a hydrated weight from. 155. Maybe 5 extra pounds at best.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: red viking on March 09, 2016, 07:55:55 AM
He may have punched himself out but a lot (if not all) of that is based upon the pace that he set in Round 1. His comments/excuses were spot on. Trying to KO Diaz in Round 1 is a mistake by just about anybody. I would bet on McGregor if he fights Diaz again at 155. Yes, weighing in at 170 was a Diaz advantage since he is a bigger guy.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: leglace on March 09, 2016, 08:09:59 AM
He may have punched himself out but a lot (if not all) of that is based upon the pace that he set in Round 1. His comments/excuses were spot on. Trying to KO Diaz in Round 1 is a mistake by just about anybody. I would bet on McGregor if he fights Diaz again at 155. Yes, weighing in at 170 was a Diaz advantage since he is a bigger guy.

RV they both weighed in about about 1 to 1.5 pounds under 170 which tell me they did not need to cut the day of weigh ins. On fight night, a lightweight normally weighs 10 to 15 pounds more which tells m that this was a lightweight battle. Diaz is taller, sure, but McGregor is a true lightweight who has cut down to featherweight. Diaz h been beaten by lightweights. McGregor was not able to beat him on a full camp. You really think McGregor beats Nate with a full camp?

 I have seen lightweights throw more volume of offense without blowing their load in the first round. This tells me that a sucked out McGregor would fare worse on the energy side against the pace o dealing with Frankie.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: MetsFan on March 09, 2016, 09:04:21 AM
Nate is NOT a 'bigger guy.'  Nate weighed in at 169 - SOFT.  Conor weighed in at 168 - SOLID.  He's also fought many times at lightweight but does a major cut to get to featherweight.  Look at Conor's weigh-ins when he cuts to 145, he looks like he escaped from Auschwitz.  He's a 155er who fought another 155er in Nate.  People who believe otherwise are delusional and buying into the built in excuse created by calling this a welterweight bout.  It was a lightweight bout where neither guy cut weight.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: a guest on March 09, 2016, 09:57:30 AM
Conor looked larger/thicker to me when in the Octagon compared to Nate. I would not be shocked if Conor was the larger man during their fight.

I really want the UFC to replicate HBO boxing as listing the "in ring weight" of the combatants.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: ocianain on March 09, 2016, 11:26:26 AM
Conor will have his hands full with a cardio machine like Edgar. Frankie also has good boxing skills that could be applied to the chin up "Karate" style Conor favors.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: red viking on March 09, 2016, 12:59:36 PM
He may have punched himself out but a lot (if not all) of that is based upon the pace that he set in Round 1. His comments/excuses were spot on. Trying to KO Diaz in Round 1 is a mistake by just about anybody. I would bet on McGregor if he fights Diaz again at 155. Yes, weighing in at 170 was a Diaz advantage since he is a bigger guy.

RV they both weighed in about about 1 to 1.5 pounds under 170 which tell me they did not need to cut the day of weigh ins. On fight night, a lightweight normally weighs 10 to 15 pounds more which tells m that this was a lightweight battle. Diaz is taller, sure, but McGregor is a true lightweight who has cut down to featherweight. Diaz h been beaten by lightweights. McGregor was not able to beat him on a full camp. You really think McGregor beats Nate with a full camp?

 I have seen lightweights throw more volume of offense without blowing their load in the first round. This tells me that a sucked out McGregor would fare worse on the energy side against the pace o dealing with Frankie.

Diaz looked naturally bigger to me than McGregor. If that is the case, fighting at a lower weight is in McGregor's favor.

His volume was moderate but a lot of them were power shots. The power that he put in with them combined with the volume resulted in a very fast pace. He'll pace himself more next time. If they fight again at 155 we can have a sig bet.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: ocianain on March 09, 2016, 02:00:16 PM
Nate is NOT a 'bigger guy.'  Nate weighed in at 169 - SOFT.  Conor weighed in at 168 - SOLID.  He's also fought many times at lightweight but does a major cut to get to featherweight.  Look at Conor's weigh-ins when he cuts to 145, he looks like he escaped from Auschwitz.  He's a 155er who fought another 155er in Nate.  People who believe otherwise are delusional and buying into the built in excuse created by calling this a welterweight bout.  It was a lightweight bout where neither guy cut weight.

I don't know how much mileage Nate puts in training for a tri but I do know that college runners put in 100 miles a week or so, high school 75. If he's doing anything around those numbers and ends up weighing 170, he's a big guy. I was gobsmacked when Nate did the Fightin Irish tattoo thing, how big he appeared, in particular his hands, he is a naturally bigger person who through a fastidious diet and training regime has a "natural" walking around weight of 170. Absent all that running, swimming and biking and dieting he may be 190 200 pound guy. Conor in a likewise untrained state is 170, or less; as a mesomorph load bearing exercises would tend to muscle him up. Nate's maintenance of a high state of physical preparedness, at near steady state levels, understates his walking around weight. Conor's tendency to build muscle overstates his walking around weight. Enough of the gymnastics, start boxing. work on the ground game.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: MetsFan on March 09, 2016, 04:34:27 PM
Nate is NOT a 'bigger guy.'  Nate weighed in at 169 - SOFT.  Conor weighed in at 168 - SOLID.  He's also fought many times at lightweight but does a major cut to get to featherweight.  Look at Conor's weigh-ins when he cuts to 145, he looks like he escaped from Auschwitz.  He's a 155er who fought another 155er in Nate.  People who believe otherwise are delusional and buying into the built in excuse created by calling this a welterweight bout.  It was a lightweight bout where neither guy cut weight.

I don't know how much mileage Nate puts in training for a tri but I do know that college runners put in 100 miles a week or so, high school 75. If he's doing anything around those numbers and ends up weighing 170, he's a big guy. I was gobsmacked when Nate did the Fightin Irish tattoo thing, how big he appeared, in particular his hands, he is a naturally bigger person who through a fastidious diet and training regime has a "natural" walking around weight of 170. Absent all that running, swimming and biking and dieting he may be 190 200 pound guy. Conor in a likewise untrained state is 170, or less; as a mesomorph load bearing exercises would tend to muscle him up. Nate's maintenance of a high state of physical preparedness, at near steady state levels, understates his walking around weight. Conor's tendency to build muscle overstates his walking around weight. Enough of the gymnastics, start boxing. work on the ground game.

Nate has since stated that he was not, in fact, training for a triathlon but was instead vacationing in Cabo with Gilbert Melendez but wanted the fight so told Dana he was in shape due to tri training.  Conor was also not in an untrained state at 170.  He had a full fight camp and therefore would've been tapering down to get to 155 through that camp.  From what I understand, when he fights at 145, he cuts about 30lbs on fight week, meaning his walkaround weight is easily 170+ if he's 170-175 coming in to fight week following a full camp.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: leglace on March 10, 2016, 08:27:22 AM
More importantly, Diaz is a lightweight fighter ranked in the top 6. Conor fought said lightweight fighter at a catchweight at 170. Diaz said he could make 165 without a problem but rather not spend his week dieting when he can spend it training. It was Conor who chose 170 to fight a ranked lightweight.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: red viking on March 10, 2016, 01:00:14 PM
I'm not sure if it's possible to cut 30 lbs. in 1 week and not be at or near death. From what I read, 20 lbs. is the max. 3,500 calories is 1 pound of fat so this would have to be almost all water. Don't want to argue too much more. We can make a bet if they fight again at 155. Upsets happen all the time in MMA and I think this was one of them.
Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: leglace on March 10, 2016, 07:15:33 PM
http://www.mmamania.com/2015/7/6/8901169/ufc-189-chael-sonnen-reveals-dramatic-28-pound-weight-cut-looming-for-conor-mcgregor-mma

"He's a very big guy. I was impressed with how big he is. I was like 'Conor, what do you weigh?' He said 'I'm around 172 pounds.' He's got to be 145 pounds in eight days. I don't know how he's going to do it. He's very lean. He has a very busy schedule. He's training at Las Vegas. He was just in L.A. with Conan O'Brien last night. He's in New York for Reebok a day before that. He was in Connecticut the day before that. One, how does he do the weight? And two, how does he find the time? I don't know."





Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: red viking on March 11, 2016, 08:09:50 AM


27 pounds in 8 days? That's not 30 pounds in 7 days but somewhat close and still pretty ridiculous. Shouldn't be allowed. Fighters should weigh in just a few hours before they fight. Maybe only an hour or two like in high school wrestling.




Title: Re: McGregor
Post by: fsgrecofolk on March 11, 2016, 12:45:38 PM
Very high risk for kidney failure.