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Title: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: buck on December 27, 2015, 12:18:07 PM
Watch the entire documentary.

http://www.aljazeera.com/investigations/
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: brycemus on December 27, 2015, 01:31:22 PM
Guy recanted
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: buck on December 27, 2015, 05:17:58 PM
You not only didn't watch the entire video , you watched none of it.  I suspect that's fairly typical behavior.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: brycemus on December 27, 2015, 08:51:54 PM
I just read the bottom line of ESPN as I was setting my fantasy football lineup.  Also as none of the names are on any sports teams I follow, Not worth my team to watch a video of something I don't care about when I can just have ESPN let me know what's what.  not to mention it will be an OTL or a 30 for 30 if it's really worth my time.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: brycemus on December 27, 2015, 08:53:34 PM
and here is the story about him saying it's untrue.
http://www.scout.com/nfl/broncos/story/1626581-manning-s-hgh-accuser-confesses-it-s-untrue (http://www.scout.com/nfl/broncos/story/1626581-manning-s-hgh-accuser-confesses-it-s-untrue)

this isn't Bonds & Balco where his buddy went to prison instead of snithching...this guy says what he said in the interview was untrue
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: buck on December 28, 2015, 08:51:01 AM
Close to 100% of the NFL is doing some sort of PED.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: buck on December 28, 2015, 09:19:28 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peyton-manning-hgh-response_568070e0e4b06fa688806231?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

He's going down...
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: ctc on December 28, 2015, 11:29:18 AM
Watch the entire documentary.

http://www.aljazeera.com/investigations/
Seriously buck, you think this is a credible source?  I think theonion is equal in credibility.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: buck on December 28, 2015, 11:49:35 AM
If I had to restrict myself to a single television news agency for coverage of the western world, AJ-E would probably be it.  BBC coverage of the US would be second.  Depressingly, Fox News is probably third, since CNN, MSNBC, etc. have given up on carrying news and instead seem to focus on entertainment.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: ctc on December 28, 2015, 11:59:26 AM
If I had to restrict myself to a single television news agency for coverage of the western world, AJ-E would probably be it.  BBC coverage of the US would be second.  Depressingly, Fox News is probably third, since CNN, MSNBC, etc. have given up on carrying news and instead seem to focus on entertainment.
Weird when taken into consideration your view on Muslims. ???
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: buck on December 28, 2015, 12:08:19 PM
Even former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsefeld, who held a hawkish view against Al Jazeera -- in 2004 he called the network's coverage of the Iraq war "vicious, inaccurate and inexcusable" -- softened his stance. "Its audience has grown and it can be an important means of communication in the world, and I am delighted you are doing what you are doing," Rumsfeld told Al Jazeera in a November interview.

Al Jazeera launched its English language channel in 2006 with $1 billion in funding. Last May, Columbia University awarded Al Jazeera Enlish its annual Columbia Journalism Award, recognizing an individual or organization for “singular journalism in the public interest.”

"Al Jazeera English has performed a great service in bringing the English-speaking world in-depth coverage of the turmoil in the Middle East," Columbia Dean Nicholas Lemann said. "We salute its determination to get to the heart of a complicated story unfolding in countries where news has historically been difficult to cover."

Former "Nightline" correspondent David Marash joined Al Jazeera English in 2006. He quit two years later over what he saw as anti-American bias. Today, Marash praises Al Jazeera as "the best news channel on earth" -- better than CNN and BBC "by a country mile."

"Al Jazeera has become the model all around the world, Marash told American Journalism Review. "Video reporting from the field sets them apart and makes them the best."
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: ctc on December 28, 2015, 09:37:25 PM
If I had to restrict myself to a single television news agency for coverage of the western world, AJ-E would probably be it.  BBC coverage of the US would be second.  Depressingly, Fox News is probably third, since CNN, MSNBC, etc. have given up on carrying news and instead seem to focus on entertainment.
Weird when taken into consideration your view on Muslims. ???
Buckaroo, you didn't address my comment.

Good buck, you provided supporters.  Money finds friends.  Here is the negative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: a guest on December 28, 2015, 10:30:10 PM
Hating on Al Jaz is ridiculous.

I started watching them during the original protests in Cairo during the Arab Spring. There was round the clock coverage in the streets of Cairo. So much so that their reporters were being booted from Egypt.

I used to watch during lunch breaks at work.

One guy came over to turn the station to another news source.  At the exact time Al Jaz was covering the protests, Fox had another story about Charlie Sheen leaving 3 1/2 men and CNN had another "gossip" story about Lindsay Lohan.

There is a reason why the overseas market is leaving US based news sources and switching to Al Jaz: The rest of the world doesn't give a crud about the Kardashian family.

Al Jaz as a new source is pretty good.  Their docs are pretty ham-handed.

 
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: a guest on December 28, 2015, 10:32:11 PM
So, to the original point of this thread: Payton Manning.

He states that the HGH was sent to his wife for medical reasons.  What medical reasons are there for a woman in her 30s to need HGH?
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: buck on December 29, 2015, 07:37:05 AM
Exactly!  Same situation that happened with Roger Clemens who threw his wife under the bus.  Manning is dirty, just listen to him with his denials.  He says he  just MIGHT sue.  I'll guarantee he never does.  He's hired "crisis manager" Ari Fleisher to manage the situation. 

Amazing how the media has rallied around Saint Peyton, much like they did with Lance Armstrong.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: MetsFan on December 29, 2015, 07:42:24 AM
So, to the original point of this thread: Payton Manning.

He states that the HGH was sent to his wife for medical reasons.  What medical reasons are there for a woman in her 30s to need HGH?

Hey, her medical business is her medical business.  Payton has no idea why she needs it but that's her business.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: buck on December 29, 2015, 07:48:08 AM
LOL
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: ctc on December 29, 2015, 09:02:27 AM
Exactly!  Same situation that happened with Roger Clemens who threw his wife under the bus.  Manning is dirty, just listen to him with his denials.  He says he  just MIGHT sue.  I'll guarantee he never does.  He's hired "crisis manager" Ari Fleisher to manage the situation. 

Amazing how the media has rallied around Saint Peyton, much like they did with Lance Armstrong.
Buck, you do realize that HGH wasn't even banned when Peyton supposedly used it?
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: buck on December 29, 2015, 09:13:16 AM
On that point you are correct.  And pretty much what this article states.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/28/look-it-s-way-too-easy-to-get-peds.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: a guest on December 29, 2015, 09:35:58 AM
So, to the original point of this thread: Payton Manning.

He states that the HGH was sent to his wife for medical reasons.  What medical reasons are there for a woman in her 30s to need HGH?

Hey, her medical business is her medical business.  Payton has no idea why she needs it but that's her business.

Couldn't we say the same thing regarding the injury reports that teams must share with the league and the papers?

I have no idea why the health of some dude's  knees are not considered confidential information between he and his doctor.

 
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: MetsFan on December 29, 2015, 09:36:29 AM
Exactly!  Same situation that happened with Roger Clemens who threw his wife under the bus.  Manning is dirty, just listen to him with his denials.  He says he  just MIGHT sue.  I'll guarantee he never does.  He's hired "crisis manager" Ari Fleisher to manage the situation. 

Amazing how the media has rallied around Saint Peyton, much like they did with Lance Armstrong.
Buck, you do realize that HGH wasn't even banned when Peyton supposedly used it?

In that regard, he would've been better off saying something like, "HGH helps with healing, it wasn't banned at the time, and I had a f'n broken neck, OK?"
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: MetsFan on December 29, 2015, 09:38:12 AM
So, to the original point of this thread: Payton Manning.

He states that the HGH was sent to his wife for medical reasons.  What medical reasons are there for a woman in her 30s to need HGH?

Hey, her medical business is her medical business.  Payton has no idea why she needs it but that's her business.

Couldn't we say the same thing regarding the injury reports that teams must share with the league and the papers?

I have no idea why the health of some dude's  knees are not considered confidential information between he and his doctor.

I was being sarcastic because that's what Peyton said when he was being interviewed.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: a guest on December 29, 2015, 10:21:50 AM
He should have just shipped it to Evan Fields.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: RYou on December 30, 2015, 08:41:11 AM

I have no idea why the health of some dude's  knees are not considered confidential information between he and his doctor.


Pro athletes sign a HIPAA release that allow the team to talk publicly about specific injuries occurring on the field and in practice.

Some colleges offer the same release, others do not and limit commentary to"upper body" and "lower body" injuries.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: LILHOWDOG on January 04, 2016, 06:07:18 AM
Watch the entire documentary.

http://www.aljazeera.com/investigations/
Seriously buck, you think this is a credible source?  I think theonion is equal in credibility.

Brown people doing news is laughable.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: buck on January 05, 2016, 03:06:54 PM
Still waiting for Peyton's lawsuit.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: a guest on January 09, 2016, 09:21:40 AM
So, professional athletes and sports broadcasters (and I assume sports reporters) have the same agents?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peyton-manning-al-jazeera-espn_568e6d74e4b0cad15e638886?utm_hp_ref=sports&ir=Sports&section=sports
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: buck on January 09, 2016, 12:33:03 PM
Still waiting for Peyton's lawsuit.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: fsgrecofolk on January 09, 2016, 12:51:24 PM
Didn't another athlete just file suit?
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: a guest on January 10, 2016, 10:36:16 AM
Didn't another athlete just file suit?

Zimmer man and I think Howard are suing.

This will be interesting:

"There are two things that you have to prove to be true in order to win a case of defamation of character in the court of law. First of all, you have to prove without a doubt that what was said or written about you is not true. Once you have proved that the statement is in fact false, you have to prove that the other person said the false statement with the intent of causing you some form of harm."

Law Dictionary: How Do You Prove a Defamation of Character Claim?

http://thelawdictionary.org/article/how-do-you-prove-a-defamation-of-character-claim/

If those claiming that were being defamed must prove the accusations are wrong, does that means they must testify under oath?
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: buck on January 10, 2016, 12:37:50 PM
A lawsuit is a pretty strong move of denial. The players have to go through the legal process, which opens them up to discovery and testimony in a deposition. It would surely be a high-profile suit with lots of information coming to light.

Can't wait, but I guarantee Zimmerman and Howard will slink away before too long.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: fsgrecofolk on January 10, 2016, 03:41:50 PM
Supposedly the source recanted prior to the story breaking and yet Al Jazerra ran with it anyway.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: buck on January 10, 2016, 08:04:46 PM
Ha.  You need to actually watch the hour long expose.  Many, many sources.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: a guest on January 11, 2016, 12:20:11 PM
Supposedly the source recanted prior to the story breaking and yet Al Jazerra ran with it anyway.

I think the story went:

Guy: "Yeah, about what I said. Ummm...I actually didn't work at the clinic at that time. Therefore, I recant what I said."

Al Jaz:  "Um, we have proof you worked there during that time."

Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: ctc on January 11, 2016, 01:35:07 PM
Ha.  You need to actually watch the hour long expose.  Many, many sources.
Buck, you need to get a life.  Between fantasizing about Stoll and how sexy you think he is to watching an hour documentary from Al Jeesleezy on Peyton Manning - YIKES!!!
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: a guest on January 12, 2016, 09:30:32 AM
Ha.  You need to actually watch the hour long expose.  Many, many sources.
Buck, you need to get a life.  Between fantasizing about Stoll and how sexy you think he is to watching an hour documentary from Al Jeesleezy on Peyton Manning - YIKES!!!
I admit that I have not watched the doc. However, this was not an "hour documentary on Payton Manning".

This was a project that originally started as an investigation on European sports leagues.  However, the story took the producers to the US - to the anti-aging clinic in Indiana that Ashley Manning was a client of.

Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: buck on January 12, 2016, 10:49:11 AM
The Manning part was maybe 5% of the piece.  Really helps if people watch before commenting.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: LILHOWDOG on January 12, 2016, 06:41:31 PM
The Manning part was maybe 5% of the piece.  Really helps if people watch before commenting.

You have to realize that when ctc reads Al Jazeera, he sees the boogeyman.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: brycemus on January 13, 2016, 04:24:38 PM
US Al Jazeera is shutting it's doors and turning off it's cameras anyways.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: ctc on January 26, 2016, 12:24:23 PM
The Manning part was maybe 5% of the piece.  Really helps if people watch before commenting.
Still YIKES.  Fantasizing over Stoll and Manning isn't normal.
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: ctc on January 26, 2016, 12:26:45 PM
US Al Jazeera is shutting it's doors and turning off it's cameras anyways.
Hey, something Al Gore did that I like.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/08/al-gore-sues-al-jazeera-for-fraud-194016
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: TobusRex on January 27, 2016, 04:59:55 PM
Watch the entire documentary.

http://www.aljazeera.com/investigations/


I don't watch Muslim propaganda!! Damn "Mountain Hawk".....
Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: a guest on January 30, 2016, 11:17:16 AM
Finally watched it this afternoon.

Seemed like a pretty straight forward piece that is no different than most "athletes use PEDs because the testing hasn't caught up to the doctors/pharmacists/chemists yet" type of stories.

Stuff that did stick out:

1. Although not nearly had headline grabbing, the amount of pain killers that those guys were being prescribed were pretty alarming.

2. It seems that players actively avoid the team doctors now and just go out on their own for medical advice. Even if those places are shady.

3. The Manning piece: It was just a fraction of the doc, but what stood out was that all athletes that were accused of using PEDs, a simple "No Comment" was sufficient.  For Manning, the PR team of the Colts really stood up for the guy. Seemed very "circling the wagons-ish".

Title: Re: Peyton Manning....and many others
Post by: RYou on February 01, 2016, 06:59:45 AM
US Al Jazeera is shutting it's doors and turning off it's cameras anyways.
Hey, something Al Gore did that I like.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/08/al-gore-sues-al-jazeera-for-fraud-194016

The escrow fund in question was established to fund contract disputes with the cable distributors that were carrying the Gore channel.  In fact, those disputes arose with Time Warner, Direct TV and others. Bottom line, advertising vaporized under AJ because followers dropped to under 30,000. So long as Gore drags this out, the only cash available to defend AJ is the escrow fund.  Interesting dilemma for Gore, drop the suit he may get something, continue with it and he likely gets less.