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Wrestling => International => Topic started by: fsgrecofolk on August 19, 2016, 12:25:17 PM

Title: Burroughs
Post by: fsgrecofolk on August 19, 2016, 12:25:17 PM
I didn't get to see the match, in a way I am glad I missed it. 
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: brycemus on August 19, 2016, 12:33:36 PM
I'm not sure why the challenge stuffed animal wasn't thrown
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: buck on August 19, 2016, 12:39:13 PM
He was late to the party, danced up until the last minute then got busy but it was too late.  The Russian was very strong.
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: fsgrecofolk on August 19, 2016, 01:02:26 PM
So a shot clock and two step outs vs one legitimate takedown.  Why wasn't the Russian ever put on the shot clock?
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: brycemus on August 19, 2016, 01:06:40 PM
because FILA referees are astonishingly biased against the Americans.  just look at the women's results
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: fsgrecofolk on August 19, 2016, 01:19:27 PM
According to commentary on themat, the opening of the match looked more like a boxing match?
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: buck on August 19, 2016, 01:42:32 PM
Because FILA referees are astonishingly biased against the Americans.  just look at the women's results

- One of the more absurd comments and that's saying something coming from that poster.  Obviously didn't watch the match.
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: RYou on August 19, 2016, 03:29:02 PM
Don't know where it was at, but his head certainly wasn't in Rio today.

He seemed to be holding back in the first period.
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: Bob H. on August 19, 2016, 03:30:11 PM
Burroughs got hammered in the wrestlebacks.  He didn't look like himself.  I wonder if he is sick, or if he was just out of it after losing earlier.
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: RYou on August 19, 2016, 03:54:40 PM
I don't think he's given up 4 TDs in a bout since he was a frosh in HS.
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: FalconWrestlingKY on August 19, 2016, 09:02:52 PM
I want to go with he must be sick, he didn't look himself at all. Even a bad training camp wouldn't turn in a result like that.

I've seen some people suggest he may have gotten concussed
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: Snackem on August 19, 2016, 11:33:23 PM
I tend to think that he just wan't there.  His head wasn't in it and he didn't bring his A game.  Kinda reminded me of Adeline, when Jordan wanted to attack he seemed to be able to get to his attacks but he just waited too long.  Sometimes you just have a bad day.

You could tell from his post match interviews that he'd put a ton of pressure on himself to be the best in the world and I think that weight was too much to handle today.  He's still one of the greatest wrestlers the US has ever seen and I have no doubt that today was just a blip on the radar of his career, unfortunately it was a pretty crappy day to have a blip.
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: brycemus on August 19, 2016, 11:40:59 PM
I don't think he's given up 4 TDs in a bout since he was a frosh in HS.
Metcalf might have rolled up that many on him at National Duals
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: a guest on August 20, 2016, 01:34:39 AM
The the pesky cut on his head, any chance the guy was competing with a concussion?
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: ViseGrip on August 22, 2016, 03:28:15 PM
Will this bring Dake back down to 74K?
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: Jerry Callo on August 22, 2016, 04:24:30 PM
If Burroughs is through - don't you think Dieringer is the most likely heir apparent?
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: goStanford18 on August 22, 2016, 04:56:39 PM
If Burroughs announces he is done, I believe Dake and Taylor both head back down to 74kg. I also believe Howe is slightly ahead of Dieringer for now.

The heir apparent would be Kyle Dake.
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: FalconWrestlingKY on August 22, 2016, 05:00:13 PM
After this weekend I honestly don't think Burroughs wants to go to 2020 but obviously I can't exactly know that

I would say either Dieringer or Taylor is the heir apparent. I'm one of those "Dake should go Greco" guys
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: fsgrecofolk on August 22, 2016, 05:12:14 PM
Right now probably isn't the best time for any athlete that had high Olympic aspirations and fell short to make any retirement decisions.  Maybe he will get the old hunger back in a year.  Who knows?
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: mspart on August 23, 2016, 11:52:02 AM
I think it is a little early to be talking heir apparent.  JB has some time to figure things out and see what  he wants to do. 

mspart
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: OkieSpladle on August 23, 2016, 01:18:44 PM
I'm going the other way.  I think he makes some changes, but I see him being more driven to go through 2020 than ever now.
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: SingletSlinger on August 23, 2016, 03:37:46 PM
JB ain't going nowhere, you guys really are wrestling dumb. Stick to things you at least can fake with shitty articles in the politics section.
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: FalconWrestlingKY on August 23, 2016, 04:21:10 PM
JB ain't going nowhere, you guys really are wrestling dumb. Stick to things you at least can fake with shitty articles in the politics section.

Obviously it's easy to assume his career is done after a disappointing showing, I'm sure the talk will die down next time he dominates an international tournament
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: fsgrecofolk on August 23, 2016, 04:48:02 PM
Was Burroughs head butted by the Russian?
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: ocianain on August 23, 2016, 04:52:27 PM
Any idea/word on why he performed badly? World Champ in 2015 to did not even place in 2016? Any word on injury or illness?
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: FalconWrestlingKY on August 23, 2016, 05:29:58 PM
Any idea/word on why he performed badly? World Champ in 2015 to did not even place in 2016? Any word on injury or illness?

He didn't look himself, some people are theorizing he may have had a concussion if not that it's possible he had a really bad flu
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: red viking on August 23, 2016, 07:13:13 PM
Any idea/word on why he performed badly? World Champ in 2015 to did not even place in 2016? Any word on injury or illness?

I thought maybe he just gave up. The match with the Russian was pretty close, right? And that guy only lost to Burroughts by 1 pt at the world championships last year. However, then he got tech falled the next match.
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: fsgrecofolk on August 23, 2016, 07:29:33 PM
Everything is speculation.  I could see not having your head in the game after losing a very close match and having expectations of winning gold. 
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: mspart on August 23, 2016, 07:30:53 PM
Any idea/word on why he performed badly? World Champ in 2015 to did not even place in 2016? Any word on injury or illness?

I thought maybe he just gave up. The match with the Russian was pretty close, right? And that guy only lost to Burroughts by 1 pt at the world championships last year. However, then he got tech falled the next match.

Does a world champ of JB's caliber give up like that?  I would find that hard to believe.  I didn't see the matches yet but will when I have time.  But I read themat.com forums where they were commenting and most all said he did not look right.  Perhaps he gave up but I think that goes against his nature.

mspart
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: OkieSpladle on August 23, 2016, 07:41:26 PM
Any idea/word on why he performed badly? World Champ in 2015 to did not even place in 2016? Any word on injury or illness?

I thought maybe he just gave up. The match with the Russian was pretty close, right? And that guy only lost to Burroughts by 1 pt at the world championships last year. However, then he got tech falled the next match.

Does a world champ of JB's caliber give up like that?  I would find that hard to believe.  I didn't see the matches yet but will when I have time.  But I read themat.com forums where they were commenting and most all said he did not look right.  Perhaps he gave up but I think that goes against his nature.

mspart

I don't know that giving up is the right term for it, but his reaction to the loss to Geduev (which I agree wasn't that odd...he let the score get too far away from him and got beat by a very good wrestler) was extremely emotional, going over to his family.  Based on that and his post tournament statements, I think he put a lot of pressure on himself to win gold and, when that was no longer possible, just didn't have anything left.  Maybe if he scored first against Bekzod it would have been different, but momentum is a two way street and it snowballed on him in a bad way.  Even Burroughs is not immune to bad thoughts running through his head and hurting his performance, I can only imagine what he felt as he got further and further behind.
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: mspart on August 25, 2016, 02:22:22 PM
Any idea/word on why he performed badly? World Champ in 2015 to did not even place in 2016? Any word on injury or illness?

I thought maybe he just gave up. The match with the Russian was pretty close, right? And that guy only lost to Burroughts by 1 pt at the world championships last year. However, then he got tech falled the next match.

Does a world champ of JB's caliber give up like that?  I would find that hard to believe.  I didn't see the matches yet but will when I have time.  But I read themat.com forums where they were commenting and most all said he did not look right.  Perhaps he gave up but I think that goes against his nature.

mspart

I don't know that giving up is the right term for it, but his reaction to the loss to Geduev (which I agree wasn't that odd...he let the score get too far away from him and got beat by a very good wrestler) was extremely emotional, going over to his family.  Based on that and his post tournament statements, I think he put a lot of pressure on himself to win gold and, when that was no longer possible, just didn't have anything left.  Maybe if he scored first against Bekzod it would have been different, but momentum is a two way street and it snowballed on him in a bad way.  Even Burroughs is not immune to bad thoughts running through his head and hurting his performance, I can only imagine what he felt as he got further and further behind.

Perhaps.  This does happen.  I think it would just tick me off so much that I would be out to destroy the next guy and show that I am not done.   But unfortunately for me, I never had such great expectations of myself. 

Whatever it is, I hope he can put all of this into perspective and make the best decision for himself and his family.

mspart
Title: Re: Burroughs
Post by: RYou on August 25, 2016, 04:38:39 PM

Perhaps.  This does happen.  I think it would just tick me off so much that I would be out to destroy the next guy and show that I am not done.   But unfortunately for me, I never had such great expectations of myself. 

Whatever it is, I hope he can put all of this into perspective and make the best decision for himself and his family.

mspart


Look at Metcalf.  He loses to Molinaro and proceeds to get beat in his first wrestleback at Trials.  Now a bronze metal is a bit more of an incentive than being 2nd usher at a wedding, but when your head is into gold "AllSeeIsGold" then if its not there, bronze may not hold your interest for more than nanosecond.