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Title: I really enjoyed the Mark Hall era...
Post by: Cruocified on January 20, 2017, 10:32:12 PM
too soon?
Title: Re: I really enjoyed the Mark Hall era...
Post by: brycemus on January 20, 2017, 10:39:45 PM
Wow that was fast
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Post by: goStanford18 on January 20, 2017, 11:02:56 PM
I did not expect him to come out of redshirt (even with the Cortez injury). What is more, I did not expect him to lose to Alex Meyer.

Wow.

Title: Re: I really enjoyed the Mark Hall era...
Post by: RYou on January 20, 2017, 11:07:07 PM
Probably the worst coming out party venue on earth.
Title: Re: I really enjoyed the Mark Hall era...
Post by: goStanford18 on January 21, 2017, 12:38:11 AM
He's looked small against his competition, but I remember reading somewhere he would not enjoy the cut to 165 on a weekly basis.

I imagine there'd be a really big size difference against a guy like Bo Jordan or Zahid Valencia
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Post by: buck on January 21, 2017, 07:26:11 AM
He's not that good really.  Trouble getting out from bottom and doesn't ride much.
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Post by: brycemus on January 21, 2017, 09:55:55 AM
He is a freshman
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Post by: Brew on January 21, 2017, 11:51:40 AM
Yea maybe they should have waited til he was a 21 year old freshman.
He looks like a 65 to me.
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Post by: Rockhard on January 21, 2017, 11:35:32 PM
Every freshman struggles on the mat.
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Post by: mspart on January 22, 2017, 12:24:44 AM
Most freshman struggles on the mat.

FIFY

mspart
Title: Re: I really enjoyed the Mark Hall era...
Post by: Intensity guru on January 22, 2017, 09:12:05 PM
He looked small and Meyer is a lunker
Title: Re: I really enjoyed the Mark Hall era...
Post by: ViseGrip on January 23, 2017, 11:02:41 AM
He's not that good really. 

Really? Name one graduating Senior in High School that was better.

In fact, if he's not that good then the chances are he wont place in the NCAA as a Freshman, wouldnt you agree? 

Why dont you make a prediction of just how far Hall wont make it in the National tournament.
Title: Re: I really enjoyed the Mark Hall era...
Post by: ViseGrip on January 23, 2017, 11:04:09 AM
Allow me to point out that Pat Smith was pinned by Dan Russell of Portland St in his first NCAA match.
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Post by: Thunderbird on January 23, 2017, 01:50:15 PM
He's not that good really. 

Really? Name one graduating Senior in High School that was better.

In fact, if he's not that good then the chances are he wont place in the NCAA as a Freshman, wouldnt you agree? 

Why dont you make a prediction of just how far Hall wont make it in the National tournament.


Didn't he also predict Snyder wouldn't place at Hwt. last year? 
Title: Re: I really enjoyed the Mark Hall era...
Post by: SetonHallPirate on January 23, 2017, 02:01:10 PM
He's not that good really. 

Really? Name one graduating Senior in High School that was better.

In fact, if he's not that good then the chances are he wont place in the NCAA as a Freshman, wouldnt you agree? 

Why dont you make a prediction of just how far Hall wont make it in the National tournament.


Didn't he also predict Snyder wouldn't place at Hwt. last year?
Until the bombshell that dropped with the New Year's Ball, I think we all did.
Title: Re: I really enjoyed the Mark Hall era...
Post by: goStanford18 on January 24, 2017, 01:25:29 AM
Really? Name one graduating Senior in High School that was better.

Just my opinion, but I think Kyle Snyder was the better overall recruit. Snyder had 2 Junior World Medals (2013 - Gold, 2014 - Bronze) entering his true freshman season.

I also think Aaron Pico (same class as Hall) would have been a MUCH bigger and better recruit than Mark Hall had he chosen to stick to high school and college. Pico has multiple junior world medals, multiple victories over NCAA Champs, runner-up at the Olympic trials, and a victory over a former Senior world champ. I'd say Pico is the best graduating senior of all time, and it isn't even close...unless Spencer Lee makes the World Team this year.
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Post by: fsgrecofolk on January 24, 2017, 01:50:16 PM
One to include in best graduating seniors conversation is our favorite blast from the past Dave Schultz.  I won't say he is the all timer, however he was something special even as a high schooler.
Title: Re: I really enjoyed the Mark Hall era...
Post by: Cruocified on January 24, 2017, 05:50:44 PM
Really? Name one graduating Senior in High School that was better.

Just my opinion, but I think Kyle Snyder was the better overall recruit. Snyder had 2 Junior World Medals (2013 - Gold, 2014 - Bronze) entering his true freshman season.

I also think Aaron Pico (same class as Hall) would have been a MUCH bigger and better recruit than Mark Hall had he chosen to stick to high school and college. Pico has multiple junior world medals, multiple victories over NCAA Champs, runner-up at the Olympic trials, and a victory over a former Senior world champ. I'd say Pico is the best graduating senior of all time, and it isn't even close...unless Spencer Lee makes the World Team this year.

I thought Vise was referring to the year Hall graduated, but I guess not.  As mentioned, Snyder only had one Jr. world title in high school.  Pico was a 3 time World Champion (1 Cadet, 2 Jr.) during his high school age, but I'm pretty sure he quit high school wrestling after his freshman year.  Snyder dominated in actual high school wrestling while Pico was training just freestyle.  Now, Pico was pound for pound the best in the country as a FRESHMAN when he did wrestle in high school, but since he quit, who knows?

Anyway, if we are talking any year, then Spencer Lee will jump to the top of the list after he graduates this year..  Already a 3 time world champion (1 cadet, 2 jr.) with a shot at 4 coming up, while also wrestling full time in folkstyle.

With all that being said, it'll be tough for anyone to match Snyder's Sr. level international success if he keeps up the pace he's been going.  I can see him passing Smith's 6 year World/Olympic champion streak.
Title: Re: I really enjoyed the Mark Hall era...
Post by: ViseGrip on January 24, 2017, 06:00:58 PM
Really? Name one graduating Senior in High School that was better.

Just my opinion, but I think Kyle Snyder was the better overall recruit. Snyder had 2 Junior World Medals (2013 - Gold, 2014 - Bronze) entering his true freshman season.

I also think Aaron Pico (same class as Hall) would have been a MUCH bigger and better recruit than Mark Hall had he chosen to stick to high school and college. Pico has multiple junior world medals, multiple victories over NCAA Champs, runner-up at the Olympic trials, and a victory over a former Senior world champ. I'd say Pico is the best graduating senior of all time, and it isn't even close...unless Spencer Lee makes the World Team this year.

I was referring to the last year only.

However, I with the exceptions of Dave Schultz, Kyle Snyder, and possibly Spencer Lee, Pico and Cary Kolat, I cant think of any more outstanding HS Seniors.
Title: Re: I really enjoyed the Mark Hall era...
Post by: OkieSpladle on January 24, 2017, 09:21:34 PM
Really? Name one graduating Senior in High School that was better.

Just my opinion, but I think Kyle Snyder was the better overall recruit. Snyder had 2 Junior World Medals (2013 - Gold, 2014 - Bronze) entering his true freshman season.

I also think Aaron Pico (same class as Hall) would have been a MUCH bigger and better recruit than Mark Hall had he chosen to stick to high school and college. Pico has multiple junior world medals, multiple victories over NCAA Champs, runner-up at the Olympic trials, and a victory over a former Senior world champ. I'd say Pico is the best graduating senior of all time, and it isn't even close...unless Spencer Lee makes the World Team this year.

I thought Vise was referring to the year Hall graduated, but I guess not.  As mentioned, Snyder only had one Jr. world title in high school.  Pico was a 3 time World Champion (1 Cadet, 2 Jr.) during his high school age, but I'm pretty sure he quit high school wrestling after his freshman year.  Snyder dominated in actual high school wrestling while Pico was training just freestyle.  Now, Pico was pound for pound the best in the country as a FRESHMAN when he did wrestle in high school, but since he quit, who knows?

Anyway, if we are talking any year, then Spencer Lee will jump to the top of the list after he graduates this year..  Already a 3 time world champion (1 cadet, 2 jr.) with a shot at 4 coming up, while also wrestling full time in folkstyle.

With all that being said, it'll be tough for anyone to match Snyder's Sr. level international success if he keeps up the pace he's been going.  I can see him passing Smith's 6 year World/Olympic champion streak.

Pico was a 1-time world champion (Cadet), 3-time medalist.  He never won Juniors. https://unitedworldwrestling.org/DataBase

Snyder is great, but how quickly forget the last sure-fire guy who was going to beat Smith's record.  I hope he does it, but if Sadulaev and others really jump to 97 as expected, four more without a loss is a tall order. 
Title: Re: I really enjoyed the Mark Hall era...
Post by: ViseGrip on January 25, 2017, 10:25:26 AM
Really? Name one graduating Senior in High School that was better.

Just my opinion, but I think Kyle Snyder was the better overall recruit. Snyder had 2 Junior World Medals (2013 - Gold, 2014 - Bronze) entering his true freshman season.

I also think Aaron Pico (same class as Hall) would have been a MUCH bigger and better recruit than Mark Hall had he chosen to stick to high school and college. Pico has multiple junior world medals, multiple victories over NCAA Champs, runner-up at the Olympic trials, and a victory over a former Senior world champ. I'd say Pico is the best graduating senior of all time, and it isn't even close...unless Spencer Lee makes the World Team this year.

I thought Vise was referring to the year Hall graduated, but I guess not.  As mentioned, Snyder only had one Jr. world title in high school.  Pico was a 3 time World Champion (1 Cadet, 2 Jr.) during his high school age, but I'm pretty sure he quit high school wrestling after his freshman year.  Snyder dominated in actual high school wrestling while Pico was training just freestyle.  Now, Pico was pound for pound the best in the country as a FRESHMAN when he did wrestle in high school, but since he quit, who knows?

Anyway, if we are talking any year, then Spencer Lee will jump to the top of the list after he graduates this year..  Already a 3 time world champion (1 cadet, 2 jr.) with a shot at 4 coming up, while also wrestling full time in folkstyle.

With all that being said, it'll be tough for anyone to match Snyder's Sr. level international success if he keeps up the pace he's been going.  I can see him passing Smith's 6 year World/Olympic champion streak.

Pico was a 1-time world champion (Cadet), 3-time medalist.  He never won Juniors. https://unitedworldwrestling.org/DataBase

Snyder is great, but how quickly forget the last sure-fire guy who was going to beat Smith's record.  I hope he does it, but if Sadulaev and others really jump to 97 as expected, four more without a loss is a tall order.

As a fan, I cant wait!