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Wrestling => College => Topic started by: buck on February 03, 2019, 10:45:13 AM

Title: Oklahoma
Post by: buck on February 03, 2019, 10:45:13 AM
Are they dropping wrestling?
Title: Re: Oklahoma
Post by: Cougar1 on February 03, 2019, 10:58:47 AM
Are you hearing rumors?
Title: Re: Oklahoma
Post by: buck on February 03, 2019, 11:50:49 AM
Performance against a depleted Lehigh gives me pause.  At a minimum Rosselli should be fired.
Title: Re: Oklahoma
Post by: Cougar1 on February 03, 2019, 11:53:05 AM
Performance against a depleted Lehigh gives me pause.  At a minimum Rosselli should be fired.
True. I can assure the biggest OU fan I know would be in hearty agreement.
Title: Re: Oklahoma
Post by: ViseGrip on February 05, 2019, 12:21:37 PM
Performance against a depleted Lehigh gives me pause.  At a minimum Rosselli should be fired.
True. I can assure the biggest OU fan I know would be in hearty agreement.

Two years ago Pitt tried to hire Rosselli, to keep him the AD (no doubt under the advice of Asst AD Jason Leonard)  rewrote his contract giving him  seven years. (They ended up hiring OU Asst Gavin) I dont have much doubt this will be a huge mistake. As bad as OU was last year we appear even worse this year. WIth the potential exception of the Dumas kid at 141, I dont see any of our potential qualifiers winning a match at the NCAA. There are a couple of ranked kids coming in, but not nearly enough to turn this sinking ship around.

Regarding that beatdown by the team formerly known as the Engineers, It should have been worse. Im convinced that Santoro knew that skunking OU would would look terrible on Rosselli's record (I do not believe OU has ever been skunked in a dual) and sent out the B-teamer instead of the ranked Wood. The  good news is that the new University President was in attendence, and saw the debaucle.
Title: Re: Oklahoma
Post by: AKIN on February 05, 2019, 05:07:36 PM
Truly sad times in Norman.
Title: Re: Oklahoma
Post by: OkieSpladle on February 06, 2019, 01:04:19 PM
He has done really good work with the Oklahoma RTC but, obviously, the success at the college level has yet to follow. I still think you have to give him next year and the year after to see how his recruits develop and to get rid of a few more holdovers. It can be difficult to change the culture when the old guard is still around.
Title: Re: Oklahoma
Post by: ViseGrip on February 06, 2019, 04:29:45 PM
He has done really good work with the Oklahoma RTC but, obviously, the success at the college level has yet to follow. I still think you have to give him next year and the year after to see how his recruits develop and to get rid of a few more holdovers. It can be difficult to change the culture when the old guard is still around.
Not many of those holdovers left actually.

If OU was scoring 20 or 30 points at the tournament and if there was some obvious enthusiasm or if there was some improvement in the performances of some of the older wrestlers on the team I guess I would agree with giving him more time. But when his team scores 2 points in the tournament, the athletes appear apathetic even at home, and your (non transfer) junior and senior starters appear to have gotten worse since their mildly successful freshman seasons its hard to believe that patience is warranted.
Title: Re: Oklahoma
Post by: OkieSpladle on February 07, 2019, 10:18:35 AM
He has done really good work with the Oklahoma RTC but, obviously, the success at the college level has yet to follow. I still think you have to give him next year and the year after to see how his recruits develop and to get rid of a few more holdovers. It can be difficult to change the culture when the old guard is still around.
Not many of those holdovers left actually.

If OU was scoring 20 or 30 points at the tournament and if there was some obvious enthusiasm or if there was some improvement in the performances of some of the older wrestlers on the team I guess I would agree with giving him more time. But when his team scores 2 points in the tournament, the athletes appear apathetic even at home, and your (non transfer) junior and senior starters appear to have gotten worse since their mildly successful freshman seasons its hard to believe that patience is warranted.

He didn't recruit Moody, Jeffries, the Thomases, or Hayden Hansen and MacCallum is a stop-gap. Judging a new coach on the performance of guys who were already there when he was hired is tough. On the one hand, it would be great if the new staff could come in, get buy in, and help them improve. On the other hand, if those guys don't buy what the new guy is selling, it can cause a lot of issues. I don't have any inside info on that front, but IMO we should at least wait to see if Madrigal, Demas, Mantanona, Woodley, and Boyd improve next season. If they do, maybe Lou just needs his guys. If they don't, I'll be more on board with another change.
Title: Re: Oklahoma
Post by: ViseGrip on February 12, 2019, 10:33:04 AM
He has done really good work with the Oklahoma RTC but, obviously, the success at the college level has yet to follow. I still think you have to give him next year and the year after to see how his recruits develop and to get rid of a few more holdovers. It can be difficult to change the culture when the old guard is still around.
Not many of those holdovers left actually.

If OU was scoring 20 or 30 points at the tournament and if there was some obvious enthusiasm or if there was some improvement in the performances of some of the older wrestlers on the team I guess I would agree with giving him more time. But when his team scores 2 points in the tournament, the athletes appear apathetic even at home, and your (non transfer) junior and senior starters appear to have gotten worse since their mildly successful freshman seasons its hard to believe that patience is warranted.

He didn't recruit Moody, Jeffries, the Thomases, or Hayden Hansen and MacCallum is a stop-gap. Judging a new coach on the performance of guys who were already there when he was hired is tough. On the one hand, it would be great if the new staff could come in, get buy in, and help them improve. On the other hand, if those guys don't buy what the new guy is selling, it can cause a lot of issues. I don't have any inside info on that front, but IMO we should at least wait to see if Madrigal, Demas, Mantanona, Woodley, and Boyd improve next season. If they do, maybe Lou just needs his guys. If they don't, I'll be more on board with another change.

Thats reasonable, but lets just say, you optimism for that success is higher than mine.