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College / Re: New team championship proposal
« on: January 28, 2014, 07:12:57 PM »
INFORMATIONAL ITEMS.

Championship Format Change. The committee continues to support the concept of a team component of the championships, which would be a separate event from the individual component. At the direction of the Championships/Sports Management Cabinet, the committee sought feedback from coaches, student-athletes and media partners on the proposed format change. Fifty-nine percent of coaches surveyed supported the proposal as submitted; however, forty-one percent were opposed. Media partner, ESPN, was supportive of the proposal and concept of separating the team and individual components of the championships. There was no official survey taken of student-athletes. The coaches opposed to the proposal did not support having the team championship award separated from the individual awards. Coaches wanted more opportunity for participation at the first level of competition. Other opposition stated; that adding the dual team championship did not assist institutional wrestling programs. There was concern about the timing of the dual team component and how it would affect the season. There were some concerns shared by administrators that a separate team championship would affect Director’s Cup points and calculations. The committee has adjusted the proposal to address these concerns, as well as provide an opportunity for growth and expansion both in size and exposure for the championships and the sport of wrestling.

a.   Recommendation.   That the championships include a team component and an individual component. Teams of sponsoring institutions shall compete in a minimum of six intercollegiate dual meets to be eligible for the team component. The overall NCAA team champion will be determined by a combination of team points earned through the dual team competition component, and individual points earned by individuals during the individual component of the championships. The proposed model provides for 24 teams to be selected for the team component of the championship. Of the 24 teams, automatic qualifiers would be selected based on current bylaws. The remaining teams would then be selected using selection criteria, which would include, but not be limited to; dual team winning percentage, dual team strength of schedule, head-to-head competition, coaches’ rankings and the use of a team RPI. The top four seeds would then host six-team regionals on campus, with all revenues and expenses being absorbed by the competing institutions. The four advancing institutions would then compete in a one-day, two-mat competition, in a venue strategically selected  with  seating  for  8,000  to  12,000  people.    The  results  of  the  team component of the championships would be tabulated and later combined with the individual component results to crown an overall NCAA wrestling champion. No changes are anticipated in the selection, format or general timing of the individual championship.

The proposed format includes the following timeline for the initial team championship in 2016:

February 12 – 14 – Conference championships must be concluded. Automatic qualifiers (AQ) determined.

February 28 – First round of NCAA dual-team component (regional). Four, six- team regional sites.

March 6 – NCAA dual team component finals. March 7 – Individual at-large selections.
March 17 – 19 – NCAA individual championships. Individual and team champions awarded.

b.   Effective Date.  2016 championships.

c.   Rationale. The proposed format establishes a traditional dual meet season at the start of the wrestling season. Focusing on dual meets rather than large invitational tournaments during the initial portion of the season will emphasize safety for student-athletes as they will be limited in the number of matches wrestled in a given day during dual meets. The dual season also provides more opportunities for teams to engage fans and their communities by hosting dual matches on campus. The notion to separate the team portion from the individual portion of the championships is a strategic one which would accomplish the following objectives:

(1)   Reduce the number of injuries and weight management strain on student- athletes by reducing the number of matches wrestlers compete in during the early part of the season during large invitational tournaments.

(2)   Place a priority on dual competition and the team aspect of the sport of wrestling.

(3)   Increase casual fan base with more team competition.

(4)   Extend the excitement of NCAA wrestling by providing a NCAA wrestling championship season, similar to the four weeks of March Madness.

(5)   Provide more opportunities for college programs and collegiate wrestlers.

In the current construct, the team champion is determined by a function of individual performances and resulting points awarded for those performances. The points are then summed and the team with the most points at the end of the three-day competition is the NCAA team champion. Under this construct, only 11 institutions have won an NCAA team championship in the 85-year history of the championship.

In the committee’s estimation, the individual championship will always be the more desirable of the two competitions for the general public, as well as provide the most opportunity for the 77 institutions and 330 student- athletes to compete. The team component, however, strengthens the sport as a whole and allows institutions to be more competitive in a team approach rather than as a function of individual performances throughout the tournament. The strategy and requirements are different for a dual competition as compared to an individual competition. The proposed format change ensures fair and equitable consideration for all 77 institutions that sponsor wrestling, as well as a more accurate assessment of overall team strength; and the opportunity for more institutions to compete for a national championship.

Additionally, this approach condenses the season at least one week for all institutions, and places a priority in the regular season on dual competition, which the committee believes, will aid in the growth and popularity of the sport.

The committee does not believe the addition of a second event will impede the ability to sell and promote the individual championship. The proposed model, combining the results from the team and individual components, likely will increase interest as there will be more teams with a legitimate opportunity to win a national championship. The two events provide a sustained sense of excitement and energy around a sport that has limited opportunities for public consumption. It is important to note that the current construct of the individual portion of the championship will remain unchanged. This includes the 330 participants, selection criteria and qualifying structure. The selection process for the Director’s Cup would remain the same, eliminating the need for any new selection criteria or change in the allocation of points for that award.

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College / Re: New team championship proposal
« on: January 28, 2014, 06:57:15 PM »
One additional point to make on this that i know has come from the wrestling committee: "The current proposal the DI Wrestling Committee has on the table is NOT a Dual Championship, it is a part of the NCAA Wrestling Championship.  The championship will provide an opportunity for institutions to earn points for both dual and individual performance, it is not CROWING a DUAL Champion, we will continue to crown ONE champion.  Since Wrestling is both a team and an individual sport, it seems logical that in selecting the national champion or top finishers both of those areas should be a part."

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College / Re: New team championship proposal
« on: January 28, 2014, 06:56:11 PM »
Where is this proposal found to read?

I don't know if the complete proposal with the initial points and timeline is online anywhere. As I said earlier, my understanding is the NCAA is planning on something around the NCAA tournament to release more about this and do something with the media.

There was articles about this proposal that was in the Des Moines Register back in June that talked about the proposal.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2013/06/13/ncaa-wrestling-championships-proposed-change-in-format/2419749/

Thank you.

The NCAA said i could share the PDF Document that they have (does not include the scoring models) but not sure the best way to post it.


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College / Re: New team championship proposal
« on: January 28, 2014, 06:31:32 PM »
Where is this proposal found to read?

I don't know if the complete proposal with the initial points and timeline is online anywhere. As I said earlier, my understanding is the NCAA is planning on something around the NCAA tournament to release more about this and do something with the media.

There was articles about this proposal that was in the Des Moines Register back in June that talked about the proposal.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2013/06/13/ncaa-wrestling-championships-proposed-change-in-format/2419749/




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College / Re: New team championship proposal
« on: January 28, 2014, 05:12:25 PM »
If this passes through the wrestling committee and they decided to push it forward, It would then need to go and be passed by the DI Championships/Sports Management Cabinet, who reports to the DI Leadership Council, who inevitably reports to the Board of Directors.

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College / Re: New team championship proposal
« on: January 28, 2014, 04:10:07 PM »
Is this the NCAA committee?

Dave Martin - Associate Athletic Director, Oklahoma State
Matt Whisenant - Deputy Athletic Director, Wyoming
Jason Borrelli - Head Coach, Stanford
Deb Polca - Sr Associate Athletic Director, Old Dominion
Tom Minkel - Head Coach, Michigan State
Jon Jaudon - Associate Athletic Director, Virginia Tech

Correct.  Jaudon just came on in September i believe and he repaved Gary Taylor.

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College / Re: New team championship proposal
« on: January 28, 2014, 03:48:52 PM »
Growth has been at the smaller division schools (NAIA, DII, DIII, NJCAA and Women).   Working on a new approach for Division I Schools. Not sure how it will work yet.

Ron, i am not sure what else i can say to your comment but this new proposal is a NCAA Wrestling Committee proposal.


I haven't read the whole thread Pat so forgive me if I'm asking you questions you've answered.


1.  Who makes up the NCAA wrestling committee?
2.  Do they get input from anyone in the wrestling community or is it a group of administrators who may or may not be familiar with a sport?
3.  If they get input who is it from?
4.  If it is a group who may or may not be familiar with a sport, what are their backgrounds and how did they get on the committee?


Thanks.

Who makes up the NCAA wrestling committee?  The committee has six members, made up of coaches and administrators that are nominated by their peers and conferences.(Dave Martin-Chair, Matt Whisenhaut, Jason Borrelli, Deb Polca, Tom Minkel, Jon Jaudon - he recently replaced Gary Taylor)

2.  Do they get input from anyone in the wrestling community or is it a group of administrators who may or may not be familiar with a sport? Yes, as part of the duties/responsibilities committee members represent their respective constituencies and should actively share information and seek feedback from their constituents, which could be conference coaches, administrators, and the like.

3.  If they get input who is it from?  See above

4.  If it is a group who may or may not be familiar with a sport, what are their backgrounds and how did they get on the committee?  The committee consists of current Division I Coaches and Administrators.  Each has some background in the sport either as a coach or an administrator that works with the sport at their respective institutions or conference office.

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College / Re: New team championship proposal
« on: January 28, 2014, 03:07:23 PM »
Growth has been at the smaller division schools (NAIA, DII, DIII, NJCAA and Women).   Working on a new approach for Division I Schools. Not sure how it will work yet.

Ron, i am not sure what else i can say to your comment but this new proposal is a NCAA Wrestling Committee proposal.

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College / Re: New team championship proposal
« on: January 28, 2014, 02:43:25 PM »
It's coming from coaches and fans.

Ok, if you say so.

there are fans right here objecting to it ... that's not hearsay

The comment above had nothing to do with the proposal and if fans and/or coaches like it. I have read where people don't like and i have read where some people do like it. I have also heard many say they would like to know more before they make an opinion.

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College / Re: New team championship proposal
« on: January 28, 2014, 02:34:17 PM »
It's coming from coaches and fans.

Ok, if you say so.

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College / Re: New team championship proposal
« on: January 28, 2014, 02:29:31 PM »
That seems to be the opinion of more and more daily.

If it is coming from you, it must be true.

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College / Re: New team championship proposal
« on: January 28, 2014, 02:26:30 PM »
And you have a tough time admitting the NWCA is part of the problem.

You are entitled to your opinion.

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College / Re: New team championship proposal
« on: January 28, 2014, 02:17:20 PM »
And again, this has not been as discussed with coaches as we are being led to believe.

You guys tried to pull the wool over everyone's eyes once already. Never again.

I'm also hearing some coaches are so pissed, their trying to figure out how to remove some folks from the NWCA.

Rock, i outlined to you what the NCAA wrestling committee has provided to the coaches/administrators. I guess if you have an issue with what was provided to the coaches, then you should contact the NCAA Wrestling Committee. You seem to have a tough time grasping that this is their proposal.

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College / Re: New team championship proposal
« on: January 28, 2014, 01:44:48 PM »
Ask John Smith if he is for this because I'm told not only is he against it, but his assistant AD is pushing for it behind his back.

As I am sure you know, Dave Martin is chair of the Wrestling Committee who is behind the proposal. Hard to be behind someone's back when it is known to the coaches that the proposal is out there.

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College / Re: New team championship proposal
« on: January 28, 2014, 01:34:46 PM »
I mean look at Minnesota last season, they pulled down like 8 AAs right?  now let's say they had a crappy National duals the week before.  where would they have finished 10th instead of 3rd?

Vice versa was that Missouri had a strong team a couple years ago and had a very poor NCAA Individual tournament. The strength of their dual meet team would have had them go the other way. It is just another way to look at it.

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