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Who has been our worst President?

1. Andrew Johnson
0 (0%)
2. Herbert Hoover
2 (8.7%)
3. Richard Nixon
0 (0%)
4. Jimmy Carter
7 (30.4%)
5. George W. Bush
3 (13%)
6. Barak Obama
6 (26.1%)
7. Other
5 (21.7%)

Total Members Voted: 26

Voting closed: June 21, 2010, 12:57:24 AM

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Re: Who is our worst President ever?
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2010, 04:14:16 PM »
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Based on what you posted he is tied for the 3rd worse

As I said poll data is a horrible measure of success, but if you want to use it he is 6th on this list of nine.  2 clearly WORSE, 1 tied.  The question is who is the WORST president of all time.  Not who is a bad president.  This is only a sample of 9/42 presidents.  So if we went back all time there would probably several more with WORSE poll numbers.

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Re: Who is our worst President ever?
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2010, 04:16:39 PM »
I am sticking with Carter
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Re: Who is our worst President ever?
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2010, 08:25:29 PM »
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I am sticking with Carter
We'll see what you say in 2012.
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Re: Who is our worst President ever?
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2010, 10:23:52 PM »
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Oh ok.  Obviously a biased question.   :lol:

On a serious note, anyone who could pick Obama after less than two years in office, and without any historical context is out of their mind.
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Re: Who is our worst President ever?
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2010, 06:05:15 PM »
Carter hands down.  He screwed over Reza Shah Pahlavi and is responsible for our problems with Iran today IMO.  He wouldn't even give the exiled Shah refuge nor adequate medical care for his lymphoma, which ultimately killed him.  These reasons alone make me greatly dislike Carter.

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Re: Who is our worst President ever?
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2010, 10:44:38 PM »
Obama is long down the road to joining the worst list.  He won't get reelected, that's a given.
He continues to put the corrupt on staff and seems to be trying to replicate Coolidge and Harding administrations.

He plans on filing suit to block the Arizona immigration law while there are 28 other states that will be legislating similar law. Once again his actions conflict with the voice of the people. He won't get reelected, that's a given.

Health care legislation - insurers are already popping premiums in order to cover the added expense of the program.  Wait until you see you renewal price next Oct/Nov.  For college students that buy through the college or university - the premium will more than double because of his mandatory minimums. He won't get reelected, that's a given.

Carter is at the top of my list, but I never experienced the Coolidge, Harding and Polk years.

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Re: Who is our worst President ever?
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2010, 05:08:08 PM »
hmm. this is tough.

im gonna suggest Woodrow Wilson for the single fact that he helped passed the Federal Reserve Act which forever led us into financial servitude.
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Re: Who is our worst President ever?
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2010, 01:30:18 PM »
Well based on his presiding over the most corrupt administration in history I would vote for Reagan as being the worst President of all time.  Next worst is clearly little George and Big Dick.
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Re: Who is our worst President ever?
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2010, 02:58:54 PM »
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Well based on his presiding over the most corrupt administration in history I would vote for Reagan as being the worst President of all time.  Next worst is clearly little George and Big Dick.
Name the corrupt officials in the Reagan Administration (post ONLY those convicted of crimes or misdemeanors, rank speculation on your behalf does NOT qualify)
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Re: Who is our worst President ever?
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2010, 03:20:07 PM »
By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations.  In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever.

Here's a "few" of the examples below:

   1. James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior was indicted on 41 felony counts for using connections at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his private clients seek federal funds for housing projects in Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.  Watt conceded that he had received $500,000 from clients who were granted very favorable housing contracts after he had intervened on their behalf.  In testifying before a House committee Watt said: "That's what they offered and it sounded like a lot of money to me, and we settled on it." Watt was eventually sentenced to five years in prison and 500 hours of community service.
   2. Although not convicted, Edwin Meese III, resigned as Reagan's Attorney General after having been the subject of investigations by the United States Office of the Independent Counsel on two occasions (Wedtech and Iran-Contra), during the 3 short years he was in office.
   3. E. Bob Wallach, close friend and law classmate of Attorney General Edwin Meese, was sentenced to six years in prison and fined $250,000 in connection with the Wedtech influence-peddling scandal.
   4. Lyn Nofziger – Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal.
   5. Michael Deaver received three years' probation and was fined one hundred thousand dollars after being convicted for lying to a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury about his lobbying activities after leaving the White House.
   6. The Iran-Contra scandal. In June, 1984, at a National Security Council meeting, CIA Director Casey urged President Reagan to seek third-party aid for the Nicaraguan contras.  Secretary of State Schultz warned that it would be an "impeachable offense" if the U.S. government acted as conduit for such secret funding.  But that didn't stop them.  That same day, Oliver North was seeking third-party aid for the contras.  But Reagan, the "teflon President" avoided serious charges or impeachment.
   7. Casper Weinberger was Secretary of Defense during Iran-Contra.  In June 1992 he was indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of concealing from congressional investigators and prosecutors thousands of pages of his handwritten notes.  The personal memoirs taken during high level meetings, detailed events in 1985 and 1986 involving the Iran-Contra affair.  Weinberger claimed he was being unfairly prosecuted because he would not provide information incriminating Ronald Reagan.  Weinberger was scheduled to go on trial January 5, 1993, where the contents of his notes would have come to light and may have implicated other, unindicted conspirators.  While Weinberger was never directly linked to the covert operations phase of the Iran-Contra affair, he is believed to have been involved in the cover-up of the ensuing scandal. According to Special Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh, Weinberger's notes contain evidence of a conspiracy among the highest ranking Reagan Administration officials to lie to congress and the American public.  Some of the notes are believed to have evidence against then Vice-President George Bush who pardoned Weinberger to keep him from going to trial.
   8. Raymond Donovan, Secretary of Labor indicted for defrauding the New York City Transit Authority of $7.4. million.
      { Republicans will point out that Donovan was acquitted.  And that really matters in Donovan's case, because he was a Republican.  But it didn't matter for Clinton or any of his cabinet, most all of whom were acquitted, because they were Democrats!}
   9. Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau.  He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras.  Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors.  Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors.  He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush.
  10. Robert C. McFarlane was appointed Ronald Reagan's National Security Advisor in October 1983 and become well-known as a champion of the MX missile program in his role as White House liaison to congress.  In 1984, Mc Farlane initiated the review of U.S. policy towards Iran that led directly to the arms for hostages deal.  He also supervised early National Security Council efforts to support the Contras. Shortly after the Iran-Contra scandal was revealed in early 1987, McFarlane took an overdose of the tranquilizer Valium in an attempt to end his life.  In his own words: "What really drove me to despair was a sense of having failed the country." McFarlane pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service.  He was also fined $20,000.  He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush.
  11. Oliver North – Convicted of falsifying and destroying documents, accepting an illegal gratuity, and aiding and abetting the obstruction of Congress.  Conviction overturned on appeal due to legal technicalities.
  12. John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, – guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing.
  13. Richard Secord pleaded guilty to a felony charge of lying to Congress over Iran-Contra.
  14. Alan D. Fiers was the Chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's Central American Task Force.  Fiers pled guilty in 1991 to two counts of withholding information from congress about Oliver North's activities and the diversion of Iran arms sale money to aid the Contras.  He was sentenced to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service.  Fiers agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in exchange for having his felonies reduced to misdemeanors and his testimony gave a boost to the long standing criminal investigation of Lawrence Walsh, Special Prosecutor.  Fiers testified that he and three CIA colleagues knew by mid-1986 that profits from the TOW and HAWK missile sales to Iran were being diverted to the Contras months before it became public knowledge.  Alan Fiers received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President Bush.
  15. Clair George was Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations under President Reagan.  In August 1992 a hung jury led U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth to declare a mistrial in the case of Clair George who was accused of concealing from Congress his knowledge of the Iran-Contra affair.  George had been named by Alan Fiers when Fiers turned state's evidence for Lawrence Walsh's investigation. In a second trial on charges of perjury, false statements and obstruction of justice, George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in 1986.  George faced a maximum five year federal prison sentence and a $20,000 fine for each of the two convictions.  Jurors cleared George of five other charges including two counts of lying to a federal grand jury.  Those charges would have carried a mandatory 10 months in prison upon conviction.  Clair George received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President George Bush.
  16. Duane R. (Dewey) Clarridge was head of the CIA's Western European Division under President Reagan.  He was indicted on November 29, 1991 for lying to congress and to the Tower Commission that investigated Iran- Contra.  Clarridge was charged with five counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements for covering up his knowledge of a November 25, 1985 shipment of HAWK missiles to Iran. Clarridge was also suspected of diverting to the Contras weapons that were originally intended for the Afghan mujahaddeen guerrillas.  Clarridge received a blanket pardon for his crimes on Christmas Eve 1992 from President George Bush.
  17. Environmental Protection Agency's favoritism toward polluters.  Assistant administrator unduly influenced by chemical industry lobbyists.  Another administrator resigned after pressuring employees to tone down a critical report on a chemical company accused of illegal pollution in Michigan.  The deputy chief of federal activities was accused of compiling an interagency "hit" or "enemies" list, like those kept in the Nixon Watergate period, singling out career employees to be hired, fired or promoted according to political beliefs.
  18. Anne Gorscuh Burford resigned amid accusations she politically manipulated the Superfund money.
  19. Rita Lavelle was fired after accusing a senior EPA official of "systematically alienating the business community." She was later indicted, tried and convicted of lying to Congress and served three months of a six-month prison sentence.  After an extensive investigation, in August 1984, a House of Representatives subcommittee concluded that top-level EPA appointees by Reagan for three years "violated their public trust by disregarding the public health and the environment, manipulating the Superfund program for political purposes, engaging in unethical conduct and participating in other abuses.".
  20. Neglected nuclear safety. A critical situation involving nuclear safety had been allowed to develop during the Reagan era.  Immense sums, estimated at 200 billion or more, would be required in the 1990s to replace and make safe America's neglected, aging, deteriorating, and dangerous nuclear facilities.
  21. Savings & Loan Bail-out. Hundreds of billions of dollars were needed to bail out savings and loan institutions that either had failed during the deregulation frenzy of the eighties or were in danger of bankruptcy.
  22. Reckless airline deregulation. Deregulation of airline industry took too broad a sweep, endangering public safety.
          Additionally:
  23. Richard Allen, National Security adviser resigned amid controversy over an honorarium he received for arranging an interview with Nancy Reagan.
  24. Richard Beggs, chief administrator at NASA was indicted for defrauding the government while an executive at General Dynamics.
  25. Guy Flake, Deputy Secretary of Commerce, resigned after allegations of a conflict of interest in contract negotiations.
  26. Louis Glutfrida, Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency resigned amid allegations of misuses of government property.
  27. Edwin Gray, Chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank was charged with illegally repaying himself and his wife $26,000 in travel costs.
  28. Max Hugel, CIA chief of covert operations who resigned after allegations of fraudulent financial dealings.
  29. Carlos Campbell, Assistant Secretary of Commerce resigned over charges of awarding federal grants to his personal friends' firms.
  30. John Fedders, chief of enforcement for the Securities and Exchange Commission resigned over charges of beating his wife.
  31. Arthur Hayes, Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration resigned over illegal travel reimbursements.
  32. J. Lynn Helms, chief of the Federal Aviation Administration resigned over a grand jury investigation of illegal business activities.
  33. Marjory Mecklenburg, Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Resources resigned over irregularities on her travel vouchers.
  34. Robert Nimmo, head of the Veterans Administration resigned when a report criticized him for improper use of government funds.
  35. J. William Petro, U.S. Attorney fired and fined for tipping off an acquaintance about a forthcoming Grand Jury investigation.
  36. Thomas C. Reed, White House counselor and National Security Council adviser resigned and paid a $427,000 fine for stock market insider trading.
  37. Emanuel Savas, Assistant Secretary of HUD resigned over assigning staff members to work on government time on a book that guilty to expense account fraud and accepting kickbacks on government contracts.
  38. Charles Wick, Director of the U.S. Information Agency investigated for taping conversations with public officials without their approval.
              As of March 27, 2007, it was only an indictment, but Bloomberg News was reporting that David Stockman, President Reagan's budget director, was indicted on charges of defrauding investors and banks of $1.6 billion while chairman of Collins & Aikman Corp., an auto parts maker that collapsed days after he quit.
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Re: Who is our worst President ever?
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2010, 01:02:51 PM »
No Lincoln votes yet?
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Re: Who is our worst President ever?
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2010, 04:10:34 PM »
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hmm. this is tough.

im gonna suggest Woodrow Wilson for the single fact that he helped passed the Federal Reserve Act which forever led us into financial servitude.

This.

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Re: Who is our worst President ever?
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2010, 11:29:58 AM »
Obama closes curtain on transparency

By: Timothy P. Carney
Examiner Columnist
August 12, 2010

President Obama has abolished the position in his White House dedicated to transparency and shunted those duties into the portfolio of a partisan ex-lobbyist who is openly antagonistic to the notion of disclosure by government and politicians.

Obama transferred "ethics czar" Norm Eisen to the Czech Republic to serve as U.S. ambassador. Some of Eisen's duties will be handed to Domestic Policy Council member Steven Croley, but most of them, it appears, will shift over to the already-full docket of White House Counsel Bob Bauer.

Bauer is renowned as a "lawyer's lawyer" and a legal expert. His resume, however, reads more "partisan advocate" than "good-government crusader." Bauer came to the White House from the law firm Perkins Coie, where he represented John Kerry in 2004 and Obama during his campaign.

Bauer has served as the top lawyer for the Democratic National Committee, which is the most prolific fundraising entity in the country. Then-Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., the caricature of a cutthroat Chicago political fixer, hired Bauer to represent the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. In the White House, Bauer is tight with Emanuel, having defended Emanuel's offer of a job to Rep. Joe Sestak, D-Pa., whom Emanuel wanted out of the Senate race.

Another Bauer client was New Jersey Sen. Robert "Torch" Torricelli back in 2001. When one Torricelli donor admitted he had reimbursed employees for their contributions to the Torch -- thus circumventing contribution limits -- Bauer explained, "All candidates ask their supporters to help raise money from friends, family members and professional associates."

Bauer's own words -- gathered by the diligent folks at the Sunlight Foundation -- show disdain for openness and far greater belief in the good intentions of those in power than of those trying to check the powerful. In December 2006, when the Federal Election Commission proposed more precise disclosure requirements for parties, Bauer took aim at the practice of muckraking enabled by such disclosure.

On his blog, Bauer derided the notion "that politicians and parties are pictured as forever trying to get away with something," saying this was an idea for which "there is a market, its product cheaply manufactured and cheaply sold." In other words -- we keep too close an eye on our leaders.

In August 2006 Bauer blogged, "disclosure is a mostly unquestioned virtue deserving to be questioned." This is the man the White House has put in charge of making this the most open White House ever.

Most telling might have been Bauer's statements about proposed regulations of 527 organizations: "If it's not done with 527 activity as we have seen, it will be done in other ways," he told the Senate rules committee.

"There are other directions, to be sure, that people are actively considering as we speak. Without tipping my hand or those of others who are professionally creative, the money will find an outlet."

This perfectly captures the Obama White House's attitude toward disclosure. Sure, the administration publish the names of all White House visitors, but, as the New York Times reported a few weeks back, White House folks just meet their lobbyists at Caribou Coffee across the street. Sure, they restrict the work of ex-lobbyists in the administration, but lobbyists who de-list aren't questioned.

And we've seen just a few of the e-mails former Google lobbyist, now Obama tech policy guru, Andrew McLaughlin traded with current Google lobbyists using his Gmail account, but who knows what else the White House whiz kids are doing to avoid the Presidential Records Act -- Facebook messages? Twitter direct messages?

Did I mention Bauer was a lobbyist? At Perkins Coie, Bauer lobbied on behalf of America Votes Inc., a Democratic 527 funded by the likes of the AFL-CIO and ACORN.

The Sunlight Foundation is also concerned about the fact the White House no longer has anyone whose job is transparency, as Eisen's job was. John Wonderlich, at SunglightFoundation.com, lists a few transparency promises on which the president hasn't followed through, including earmark transparency, a single Web site (Ethics.gov) with all ethics and accountability information, and better lobbying disclosure, among others.

As with his other reformer rhetoric, Obama's transparency is mostly smoke and mirrors.

Timothy P. Carney is The Washington Examiner's lobbying editor. His K Street column appears on Wednesdays.
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Re: Who is our worst President ever?
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2010, 06:39:36 PM »
I don't have a strong opinion on who our worst president was.  For what it's worth, though, FDR is the president I dislike most.

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Re: Who is our worst President ever?
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2010, 07:11:41 PM »
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I don't have a strong opinion on who our worst president was.  For what it's worth, though, FDR is the president I dislike most.

For what it is worth, I do not like FDR a lot as a person but as a president he was my second favorite.  If the republicans had not squelched his WPA, we would have the right approach to people who are having problems finding work, we would put them to work.  Instead, because of the republicans we just give them a check for doing nothing.  That is a problem.
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