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Re: 10 best evidences confirming a young earth
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2012, 06:53:21 PM »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=15790853&dopt=abstractplus
After 65,000,000 years?  Wow!!!  If someone will believe that, they'll vote for Obama too.   ;D

I find it interesting that the self appointed defender of truth and science is deaf to problem of 65 million year old carbon 14, while the oft maligned "creationist" picked right up on it. I wonder why that is? Perhaps when one rejects Logos one becomes indifferent to Truth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-14

So you are claiming that that fossil was in a closed system not subject to cross contamination.  That is funny, try telling any rational scientist your belief, you will be laughed out of the room. 
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Re: 10 best evidences confirming a young earth
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2012, 06:58:40 PM »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=15790853&dopt=abstractplus
After 65,000,000 years?  Wow!!!  If someone will believe that, they'll vote for Obama too.   ;D

I find it interesting that the self appointed defender of truth and science is deaf to problem of 65 million year old carbon 14, while the oft maligned "creationist" picked right up on it. I wonder why that is? Perhaps when one rejects Logos one becomes indifferent to Truth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-14

Geez, you did not even bother reading your source material, this from your wiki link:

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This may indicate possible contamination by small amounts of bacteria, underground sources of radiation causing the 14N(n,p) 14C reaction, direct uranium decay (although reported measured ratios of 14C/U in uranium-bearing ores[18] would imply roughly 1 uranium atom for every two carbon atoms in order to cause the 14C/12C ratio, measured to be on the order of 10−15), or other unknown secondary sources of carbon-14 production. Presence of carbon-14 in the isotopic signature of a sample of carbonaceous material possibly indicates its contamination by biogenic sources or the decay of radioactive material in surrounding geologic strata.
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Re: 10 best evidences confirming a young earth
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2012, 07:04:59 PM »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=15790853&dopt=abstractplus
After 65,000,000 years?  Wow!!!  If someone will believe that, they'll vote for Obama too.   ;D

I find it interesting that the self appointed defender of truth and science is deaf to problem of 65 million year old carbon 14, while the oft maligned "creationist" picked right up on it. I wonder why that is? Perhaps when one rejects Logos one becomes indifferent to Truth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-14

And oddly the scientist and her colleagues who are working on it with her, all agree is it not only possible but it is proved.  Of courxe there is not consensus, a lot of scientist believe that it is not original soft tissue from the dinosaur but is a sort of bacterial contamination.
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Re: 10 best evidences confirming a young earth
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2012, 08:18:32 AM »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=15790853&dopt=abstractplus
After 65,000,000 years?  Wow!!!  If someone will believe that, they'll vote for Obama too.   ;D

Well it is scientific and testable and repeatable so it is not that hard to believe really.
You can test, repeat, and observe 65,000,000 years.  Methuselah would be impressed.   ;D
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Re: 10 best evidences confirming a young earth
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2012, 08:21:30 AM »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=15790853&dopt=abstractplus
After 65,000,000 years?  Wow!!!  If someone will believe that, they'll vote for Obama too.   ;D

I find it interesting that the self appointed defender of truth and science is deaf to problem of 65 million year old carbon 14, while the oft maligned "creationist" picked right up on it. I wonder why that is? Perhaps when one rejects Logos one becomes indifferent to Truth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-14
Right, it just so happened to contaminate the known soft tissue area and left the rest of the 65,000,000 rock alone.  What a miracle.   :D

So you are claiming that that fossil was in a closed system not subject to cross contamination.  That is funny, try telling any rational scientist your belief, you will be laughed out of the room.
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Re: 10 best evidences confirming a young earth
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2012, 10:19:00 AM »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=15790853&dopt=abstractplus
After 65,000,000 years?  Wow!!!  If someone will believe that, they'll vote for Obama too.   ;D

Well it is scientific and testable and repeatable so it is not that hard to believe really.
You can test, repeat, and observe 65,000,000 years.  Methuselah would be impressed.   ;D

You can test, repeat and observe what the material is and we already know that it is 65000000 years old from other methods.  So if there is soft material and it can be tested and shown to have many similarities to bird which we know are decendants to dinosaurs, whala we have a winner.  Of course you have to be a scientist to understand it I guess.  It isn't hard for me but is obviously well above your head.
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Re: 10 best evidences confirming a young earth
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2012, 10:20:40 AM »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=15790853&dopt=abstractplus
After 65,000,000 years?  Wow!!!  If someone will believe that, they'll vote for Obama too.   ;D

I find it interesting that the self appointed defender of truth and science is deaf to problem of 65 million year old carbon 14, while the oft maligned "creationist" picked right up on it. I wonder why that is? Perhaps when one rejects Logos one becomes indifferent to Truth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-14
Right, it just so happened to contaminate the known soft tissue area and left the rest of the 65,000,000 rock alone.  What a miracle.   :D

So you are claiming that that fossil was in a closed system not subject to cross contamination.  That is funny, try telling any rational scientist your belief, you will be laughed out of the room.

Well, that is what some scientist who are resistant to accepting that soft tissue could have survived 65 million years are arguing.  Could be, we will have to let the scientific testing continue until there is some concensus among the scientist.
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Re: 10 best evidences confirming a young earth
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2012, 12:33:50 PM »
Yep this is added evidence that birds evolved from the dinosaurs. 

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T-REX-TISSUE-OFFERS-EVOLUTION-INSIGHTS-2603263.php#ixzz2AniiKOMH

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UC Berkeley dinosaur evolution expert Kevin Padian, who was not involved in this new research, noted that for 15 years molecular biologists had been insisting that Schweitzer could not possibly get molecules out of a 68 million-year-old fossil, and that her methods were flawed despite all the many tests she used that confirmed her work.

"But the lesson, she's saying now, is that nature doesn't work like a lab bench," Padian said. "Chemicals that might degrade in a laboratory over a short period need not do so in a protected natural chemical environment. Mary Schweitzer is just the best there is, so it's time to readjust our thinking."

As for the Harvard work sequencing the ancient protein for the first time, Padian called it "a brilliant technical achievement, and it's because we know that birds evolved from dinosaurs that it makes sense."



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Re: 10 best evidences confirming a young earth
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2012, 08:36:33 PM »
Birds evolved from dinosaurs is absolute insanity.  Here are the problems.

1.  Cold blooded to warm blooded (was there a mediocre blooded?)

2.  Scales to feathers  (now that is crazy)

3.  Suddenly being able to fly  (phenomenal amount of knowledge required to fly, on job training is suicide)

4.  Solid bones to hollow bones

5.  Suddenly nest sitting

6.  Completely different types of joints

7.  No similarity in genetic sequence

But it all happened magically anyway.   8)
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Re: 10 best evidences confirming a young earth
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2012, 07:26:12 AM »
Birds evolved from dinosaurs is absolute insanity.  Here are the problems.

1.  Cold blooded to warm blooded (was there a mediocre blooded?)

2.  Scales to feathers  (now that is crazy)

3.  Suddenly being able to fly  (phenomenal amount of knowledge required to fly, on job training is suicide)

4.  Solid bones to hollow bones

5.  Suddenly nest sitting

6.  Completely different types of joints

7.  No similarity in genetic sequence

But it all happened magically anyway.   8)

Nothing is suddenly in evolution, it is all extremely slow and that is called gradual ctc.

http://www.amnh.org/learn/dinosaurs

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Overwhelming evidence indicates that birds are a group of dinosaurs (avian theropod dinosaurs) that escaped the massive extinction 65 million years ago.

Birds share many anatomical characteristics with their extinct relatives. Many characteristics present in their theropod ancestors were modified to enable birds to fly.
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Re: 10 best evidences confirming a young earth
« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2012, 07:29:43 AM »
http://www.artsci.washington.edu/newsletter/Autumn00/Rensberger.htm

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Their findings are based on the study of bone canaliculi—submicron-sized channels that connect bone cells and blood vessels within the bone. In coelurosaurs, the canaliculi take circuitous, meandering routes as they make connections between the bone cells and nutrient sources. That same pattern today is found only among birds. (In contrast, the canaliculi in ornithischians—another group of dinosaurs—take very direct and parallel routes, a structure similar to that in modern mammals.)

Rensberger and Watabe’s research also sheds light on another controversy—whether dinosaurs had high metabolic rates like modern birds. The researchers found evidence that bundles of collagen fibers, which bind bone minerals together in much the same way that rebar binds concrete, have an irregular structure in both birds and coelurosaurs. The layers are thicker in some places and much thinner in others, and often they disappear completely before reforming.
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Re: 10 best evidences confirming a young earth
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2012, 09:33:36 PM »
I guess the sediment has evolved to the point where it absorbs back into the water, right?
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Re: 10 best evidences confirming a young earth
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2012, 11:06:21 PM »
If one was to study the history of the scientific consensus of the age of the Earth one would find it's tied to human evolution. In short, as it became apparent that evolution took longer and longer, which ironically enough correlates to our understanding of cell structure (virtually unknown in Darwins time, he assured his readers the cell was but protoplasm, uncomplicated) and DNA. The more complicated things became, the more time was needed to develop it. So estimates of the Earth and the universes age increased. Evolution, much of cosmology, is little more than a Just So story. A phantasy told to quiet racing minds. Again, CTC impresses, who is this man?
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Re: 10 best evidences confirming a young earth
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2012, 11:07:06 AM »
I guess the sediment has evolved to the point where it absorbs back into the water, right?

That is a funny one Jason.  I explained it.  Tell me you are not one of those batsh1t crazy young Earth creationist.   
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