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Is it normal for a straight man to be passionately interested in gay rights?

Yes
7 (38.9%)
No
11 (61.1%)

Total Members Voted: 13

Voting closed: June 13, 2009, 12:34:55 PM

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Re: POLL: Straight gay rights activists
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2009, 04:20:22 PM »
Again, trying to bring me into it. The Creator's love is demonstrated by sending his Son, one in being with Him, to die for us all. That is where the love is demonstrated. Love is desiring eternal happiness for all people.

Your values, and your statements on issues such as this, are a reflection of the religious beliefs you have, and the version of God you worship. For you to be as contemptuous as you are towards those who are SSA, or do not believe as you do, does not speak of the sort of values I want to teach my child. And frankly this is what parents do.... they give their kids values which makes them (hopefully) become good human beings. Sparky's kids for example obviously have the value of hard work (college athletes in the toughest sport), and education, among other things I am sure. With the psyche major having the value of helping people who are hurting. Those are some darn good values.

Good parents teach the values they deem important.... through education, by example, by being strict with them, by setting consistant rules, by being parents not friends, and by letting them know they are loved. All that of that has nothing to do with "forcing" my views on my child. Nor do I "keep her away" from the Christian religion - almost impossible in a nation where the majority are Christian. And she can read the Bible or go to church if she wants. I just led her away from it because it offered virtually no values we don't already have, and teaches some values and information I'd rather she not get indocrinated with.      

If you are using posts on a message board to decide what to teach and not teach your daughter i would recommend looking elsewhere. You see examples of love from how people live and interact with others, not from late night political arguments between screennames. but i'm sure you know that.

Message boards are obviously just a small part of what I use to teach. I try to use a little of almost everything. But they are useful in that people will cloak what they say in normal discourse, but when in a venue such as this, they get an opportunity to say what they really think. Even more so when they post anonymously (though not many here do). Then you get a better picture into what they think of folks who are not like they are.  

I wouldn't be so sure about the values thing. I've known hardcore atheists for life who converted in an instant. It can and does happen. And i shouldn't have to tell you that it is quite common for kids to go a different way than their parents eventually.

If the kids are taught with love, care, consistancy, and concern, they usually follow their parents. If this wasn't the case then within a generation we would not live in a Christian majority country, and those who live in Hindu dominated countries wouldn't be Hindu, and those who live in Muslim dominated countries would no longer be Muslim. Obviously this is absurd. So sure, there are always exceptions, but they are the exceptions. It would take a person such as myself, or Reni, to basically through away our values, and even a good part of our education. We would not be the people we are. I just can't imagine anything that could get us to do that. If anything what we are going through now is one of those "lifetime" intense scary unknown situations..... and there isn't even a hint of "conversion", or the desire of it, for either of us.

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Re: POLL: Straight gay rights activists
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2009, 05:48:50 PM »
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Sparky constantly responding with unusual venom every time he thinks gays are getting insulted made me wonder. Why? Why would a man who is married and claims to be straight get so excited about supporting the radical gay agenda at every opportunity?

Perhaps you fail to recognize that I continually stand up for the rights of ALL OPPRESSED PEOPLES.  What bother you about me sticking up for this particular group of OPPRESSED people is that it points out your obvious bigotry and hatred.  Homophobia is usually the result of some repressed sexual insecurity.

Hey Sparky, since you have older kids, and since we are both apprently abnormal, and therefore a menace to society, how have  your kids turned out so far? I ask because my kid is still young and I want to know what this "abnormality" means for her future.

Scott with his tongue nailed to his cheek.

Well scott, one just graduated from college, earning a history degree with a psychology minor and now intends to continue his education toward a public policy degree.  The other had a success full freshman year in college.

That's great but lots of kids graduate from college, in fact most kids with a modicum of intelligence who come from well-to-do households. The real question is do they support the various strange things that you do? (virtual kiddie porn, radical gay rights, socialism, fake Christianity, mindless pantheist spirit-god)

Actually I believe that answer is yes my kids support the freedom of speech, the fact that all person should be given equal rights, freedom of religion and the application of reason in religious beliefs, and that belief that those less fortunate than us should not be allowed to suffer.  Those are my belief that you have spun to have negative conotation.  Yes I know as a conservative you do not share those same beliefs in freedom of expression, all humans deserve equal rights, freedom of religion and most expecially god forbid, the use of reason in regards to religious belief, and damn those less fortunate of course.
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Re: POLL: Straight gay rights activists
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2009, 05:54:23 PM »
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Again, trying to bring me into it. The Creator's love is demonstrated by sending his Son, one in being with Him, to die for us all. That is where the love is demonstrated. Love is desiring eternal happiness for all people.

Your values, and your statements on issues such as this, are a reflection of the religious beliefs you have, and the version of God you worship. For you to be as contemptuous as you are towards those who are SSA, or do not believe as you do, does not speak of the sort of values I want to teach my child. And frankly this is what parents do.... they give their kids values which makes them (hopefully) become good human beings. Sparky's kids for example obviously have the value of hard work (college athletes in the toughest sport), and education, among other things I am sure. With the psyche major having the value of helping people who are hurting. Those are some darn good values.

Good parents teach the values they deem important.... through education, by example, by being strict with them, by setting consistant rules, by being parents not friends, and by letting them know they are loved. All that of that has nothing to do with "forcing" my views on my child. Nor do I "keep her away" from the Christian religion - almost impossible in a nation where the majority are Christian. And she can read the Bible or go to church if she wants. I just led her away from it because it offered virtually no values we don't already have, and teaches some values and information I'd rather she not get indocrinated with.      

If you are using posts on a message board to decide what to teach and not teach your daughter i would recommend looking elsewhere. You see examples of love from how people live and interact with others, not from late night political arguments between screennames. but i'm sure you know that.

Message boards are obviously just a small part of what I use to teach. I try to use a little of almost everything. But they are useful in that people will cloak what they say in normal discourse, but when in a venue such as this, they get an opportunity to say what they really think. Even more so when they post anonymously (though not many here do). Then you get a better picture into what they think of folks who are not like they are.  

I wouldn't be so sure about the values thing. I've known hardcore atheists for life who converted in an instant. It can and does happen. And i shouldn't have to tell you that it is quite common for kids to go a different way than their parents eventually.

If the kids are taught with love, care, consistancy, and concern, they usually follow their parents. If this wasn't the case then within a generation we would not live in a Christian majority country, and those who live in Hindu dominated countries wouldn't be Hindu, and those who live in Muslim dominated countries would no longer be Muslim. Obviously this is absurd. So sure, there are always exceptions, but they are the exceptions. It would take a person such as myself, or Reni, to basically through away our values, and even a good part of our education. We would not be the people we are. I just can't imagine anything that could get us to do that. If anything what we are going through now is one of those "lifetime" intense scary unknown situations..... and there isn't even a hint of "conversion", or the desire of it, for either of us.

See, i don't look at God as a version. I see God as a Being who created and loves all people, even those that do not believe His existence. Non-believers see different versions of God as working ok for different people, b/c you see god-versions as psychological constructs that work ok for whoever has them, but don't work for those who don't. I see a single God that applies to all whether or not they believe. Essentially i am saying that my God is your God, you just don't seem to be aware of it yet.

I have no contempt for those who are attracted to same sex at all. In fact i am just as nice to them as any other person. I've been to gay bars in fact and am perfectly respectful to gay people and have no personal problem with any of them. However, if the subject comes up, i am honest with the fact that i see their behavior as wrong. Most gays respect that view, with the exception of the activists i was referring to in the post. If anything it makes me sad to see people engaging in destructive behaviors; i certainly don't hate them.

I won't comment on sparky's kids b/c i don't know them. Suffice it to say that a college degree does not make one a good person or a bad person.

Christianity does in fact offer values you don't have. The main one: love of God. Values that make one a nice person and a good citizen are great...good parents should make sure their kid learns them. Love of neighbor is the #2 Commandment for Christians. Hate for neighbor and love of God is in fact impossible, even though some Christians try it.

However the #1 value is love of God. Love of creator is always more valuable than love of creatures, although love of others stems from true love of God. Another main teaching is that we are not worthy of eternity, no matter how good we claim to be in life. We are all imperfect and need God's forgiveness. Non-believers as well, but you don't know God so you cannot ask for it.

So what does God do with non-believers who live good lives and love others, but truly cannot believe? I would like to think He has mercy on them like He has mercy on believers. Exactly how or if that comes about is above my pay grade. All i know is that my belief and the Catholic belief is that all humans are given the grace necessary to be saved, they just must in some way shape or form accept it, and God is 100% fair. So what I say or you say about our values is really irrelevant b/c only God is qualified to judge.

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Re: POLL: Straight gay rights activists
« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2009, 02:03:43 AM »
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What bothers me is how leftists want to pick and choose.They want to increase the individual rights of favored groups at the expense of the individual rights of less favored groups.

Oddly enough, I am absolutely certain that you cannot identify a single person or group of people who's rights are in any way infringed upon by giving others equal rights.
 Every dictatorship in history's basis for mass murder was to establish a utopian "fair society". The left's entire focus is on creating "fairness" by adjusting the rights of the different groups they've determined through their collectivist philosophy.Their collectivist focus leads to mass murder over and over again.The "equal rights" of individuals is the only basis for a fair society. The left has historically under it's fascist and communist variants attempted  to force altruism on individuals in order to create a utopia  for the groups it's determined. This inevitably  leads to mass murder.....................................................................................................So what's your vote Sparky?
Does altruistic socialist pursuit of a "utopia" inevitably lead to mass murder?
 
YES   75%  [ 6 ] x
NO   13%  [ 1 ]
MAYBE   13%  [ 1 ]

BOG, you're erroneously assuming, of course, that they practiced what they preached. Now, count on your hand just how many politicians throughout history have practiced what they preach.

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Re: POLL: Straight gay rights activists
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2009, 07:42:07 PM »
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Sparky constantly responding with unusual venom every time he thinks gays are getting insulted made me wonder. Why? Why would a man who is married and claims to be straight get so excited about supporting the radical gay agenda at every opportunity?

I wonder if the moderators of this forum recognize this poll and post as a deliberate form of 'trolling', which it is.
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