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Would a man with nothing to hide behave like that?

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Re: Would a man with nothing to hide behave like that?
« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2009, 04:10:57 PM »
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I am merely calling a spade a spade.  You and bog have exactly zero credibility and holding onto this fantasy is bordering on psychosis.
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2. DEMONIZE YOUR OPPONENT. Attempt to cover them with shame, the same way you would a 4 year old that touches his pee-pee.

152 doesn't have any recourse.
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Re: Would a man with nothing to hide behave like that?
« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2009, 06:01:31 PM »
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Actually it is you without recourse.  You have absolutely no proof that Obama was not born in the United States.  The onus is on you to provide concrete proof of birth elsewhere.  A redacted birth certificate number does not constitute proof.  It doesn't even constitute raising an eyebrow.  Until you can provide something that shows absolute proof that Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen, your credibility falls in the same category as alien abductions.
That isn't how it works and no one is saying that Obama is not a natural born citizen.  He is now President and our country owes it to the populace to provide appropiate documentation that its president is indeed a natural born citizen.  If I was running for the office of president and someone wanted to see my birth certificate to determine my status and lawfulness for running for such an office, I would be compelled by my duty to be transparent to the citizens of which to govern.  Everything would be out in the open for careful examination.  That is to be expected considering the importance of the position.  Are you so dense that nothing sane sinks in?
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Re: Would a man with nothing to hide behave like that?
« Reply #47 on: June 07, 2009, 11:05:51 PM »
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You are an absolute tard.  He made his birth certificate public and it was examined and shown to be authentic and there is no reason to believe otherwise except for by total dumbass' such as yourself.  The discussion between us is over fvcktard.
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Re: Would a man with nothing to hide behave like that?
« Reply #48 on: June 07, 2009, 11:15:37 PM »
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vise, you are just as stupid as the rest for believing that crap.  It is isn't about being republican, democrat, or libertarian.  It is about the fact that some of you have your head stuck so far up your azz that you believe any kind of fringe theory.  Next you are going to tell me that 9/11 was an inside job.

You have no idea what I believe. I merely find it odd that Obama could end all this speculation with a request that the valult copy be released. Yet he wont.

As to the 9/11 conspiracy theories I'll leave those to all you Bush haters.
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Re: Would a man with nothing to hide behave like that?
« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2009, 03:03:16 AM »
Let's just make it clear, that not everybody opposing Obama and the Democrats are wackos like ctc, ViseGrip, and BOG. Some of us are normal, intelligent people who are able to use our brains and make legitimate criticisms against the *policies* of the left, instead of pursuing these baseless attacks. I am embarrassed that these wackos are the loudest voices of my political affiliation, but they definitely not the majority.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html

Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: November 1, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.
Analysis
Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the  registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

    Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."

Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.

    Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life?

    Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site?

    Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.

    Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate?

    Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce.

Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are:

    * The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal.
    * It isn't signed.
    * No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.
    * In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.
    * The certificate number is blacked out.
    * The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008.
    * The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.


The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller


Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp


The raised seal


Blowup of text

You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven't been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.

The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.

We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.


Blowup of certificate number

Some of the conspiracy theories that have circulated about Obama are quite imaginative. One conservative blogger suggested that the campaign might have obtained a valid Hawaii birth certificate, soaked it in solvent, then reprinted it with Obama's information. Of course, this anonymous blogger didn't have access to the actual document and presents this as just one possible "scenario" without any evidence that such a thing actually happened or is even feasible.

We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."

We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: "It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."

In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:


Obama's birth announcement


The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.
Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.

When we asked about the security borders, which look different from some other examples of Hawaii certifications of live birth, Kurt said "The borders are generated each time a certified copy is printed. A citation located on the bottom left hand corner of the certificate indicates which date the form was revised." He also confirmed that the information in the short form birth certificate is sufficient to prove citizenship for "all reasonable purposes."

–by Jess Henig, with Joe Miller
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Re: Would a man with nothing to hide behave like that?
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2009, 03:20:28 AM »
Why the stories about Obama's birth certificate will never die

Barack Obama was, without question, born in the U.S., and he is eligible to be president, but experts on conspiracy theories say that won't ever matter to those who believe otherwise.

Dec. 5, 2008 | Barack Obama can't be president: He wasn't really born in Hawaii, and the certification of live birth his campaign released is a forgery. He was born in Kenya. Or maybe Indonesia. Or, wait, maybe he was born in Hawaii -- but that doesn't matter, since he was also a British citizen at birth because of his father, and you can't be a "natural-born citizen" in that case. (But then, maybe his "father" wasn't really his father; maybe his real dad was an obscure communist poet. Or Malcolm X.)

You might think these rumors would have died off after Obama produced proof in June that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii to an American citizen, his mother, Ann, or after Hawaii state officials confirmed in October that he was born there. You might think the rumors would have died off after he was elected by a comfortable margin. Instead, they've intensified. There have been paid advertisements in the Chicago Tribune questioning the president-elect's birth certificate and eligibility, and one group is raising money to run a similar ad on television. The right-wing Web site WorldNetDaily has been reporting on the issue almost nonstop. Numerous plaintiffs have filed lawsuits in various states. And Friday, the Supreme Court's nine justices will decide whether they want to hear one of those suits, which also contends that John McCain, born in the former Panama Canal Zone, does not meet the Constitution's requirements to hold the presidency.

The people hoping this is a sign the court will agree with them and stop Obama from becoming president are almost certain to be let down. The fact that the case has gone to conference doesn't mean anything about its merits -- the court will also be deciding whether to take up a number of other cases, and the chances that the suit will actually be heard is exceedingly small. Eugene Volokh, a law professor at UCLA, has calculated that over the past eight years the court has considered in conference 842 cases that sought a stay. Only 60 of them were actually heard. Seven hundred and eighty-two were denied.

But that doesn't matter. The faux controversy isn't going to go away soon. Yes, Obama was born in Hawaii, and yes, he is eligible to be president. But according to several experts in conspiracy theories, and in the psychology of people who believe in conspiracy theories, there's little chance those people who think Obama is barred from the presidency will ever be convinced otherwise. "There's no amount of evidence or data that will change somebody's mind," says Michael Shermer, who is the publisher of Skeptic magazine and a columnist for Scientific American, and who holds an undergraduate and a master's degree in psychology. "The more data you present a person, the more they doubt it ... Once you're committed, especially behaviorally committed or financially committed, the more impossible it becomes to change your mind."

Any inconvenient facts are irrelevant. People who believe in a conspiracy theory "develop a selective perception, their mind refuses to accept contrary evidence," Chip Berlet, a senior analyst with Political Research Associates who studies such theories, says. "As soon as you criticize a conspiracy theory, you become part of the conspiracy."

Evan Harrington, a social psychologist who is an associate professor at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, agrees. "One of the tendencies of the conspiracy notion, the whole appeal, is that a lot of the information the believer has is secret or special," Harrington says. "The real evidence is out there, [and] you can give them all this evidence, but they'll have convenient ways to discredit [it]."

Whatever can't be ignored can be twisted to fit into the narrative; every new disclosure of something that should, by rights, end the controversy only opens up new questions, identifies new plotters. Perhaps the most common argument of those questioning Obama's eligibility is that he should just release his full, original birth certificate, rather than the shorter certification, which is a copy. His failure to do so only proves there is reason to be suspicious, they say, and if the document was released, the issue would go away. But that's unlikely. It was, after all, the Obama campaign's release of the certification this summer that stoked the fever of conspiracy mongers.

For believers, it works like this: So what if Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the director of Hawaii's Department of Health, released a statement saying she has verified that the state has the original birth certificate on record? So what if she said separately that the certification looks identical to one she was issued for her own Hawaii birth certificate? Why didn't her statement specify Obama's birthplace? So what if a Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman later clarified that Fukino meant that Obama was born in Hawaii? So what if researchers for FactCheck.org actually saw the physical copy of the certification and debunked much of the key "evidence" supposedly proving that the image posted online is a forgery? They're not really independent. They're funded by the Annenberg Public Policy Center, and Obama once (with Bill Ayers, no less) ran an entirely unrelated program that happened to be paid for with money donated by Walter Annenberg. And on and on and on.

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Re: Would a man with nothing to hide behave like that?
« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2009, 08:52:11 AM »
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Many of those koolaid drinkers are beginning to wise up.  They got taken in by the glamour and pomp of "Change".  Now that disaster is immenent, they are seeing their own poor judgment.  We will never fully recover.  The debt is too massive and growing quickly (I even heard yesterday that a new stimilus plan is in the works).  Yikes!!!

Actually the disaster preceded the current President. Whether he can fix it or not with what he is doing is still an open question. Even in the Reagan years the unemployment rate went up to 10.8 through 1982 before they started to come down in 1983. Now if all conservative Republicans have is the hope of failure as their best option to get back into power, with these side show issues being their main focus, they will probably not make the gains in the mid-terms they should, much less regain they White House. Considering there are Supreme Court openings at stake in the next eight years, I would have thought they would be smarter than that. Apparently not.

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Re: Would a man with nothing to hide behave like that?
« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2009, 09:21:04 AM »
with these side show issues being their main focus - sgallan

I don't know of any Republicans that fit your description.  If any do, they do have problems.  The economy, socialism/capitalism, and national security are definitely at the main focus.  What news source do you use that tells you otherwise?
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« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2009, 04:28:21 PM »
Look at this thread. Look at the initial tone of the Sotomyer debate. Listen to talk radio (hge audience). Look at the "the media only covered the abortion shooter and not the other one" (not true) the media is out to get us debate. Look at the NYC 'date' thing. All ridiculous..... just like the election..... and obviously it didn't work then.... what makes you think it will work now.

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« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2009, 04:37:57 PM »
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Look at this thread. Look at the initial tone of the Sotomyer debate. Listen to talk radio (hge audience). Look at the "the media only covered the abortion shooter and not the other one" (not true) the media is out to get us debate. Look at the NYC 'date' thing. All ridiculous..... just like the election..... and obviously it didn't work then.... what makes you think it will work now.
Yeah... you're right. There is NO media bias. Its just the rantings  of that VRWC.

Newsweek editor Evan Thomas brought adulation over President Obama’s Cairo speech to a whole new level on Friday, declaring on MSNBC: "I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God."

Thomas, appearing on Hardball with Chris Matthews, was reacting to a preceding monologue in which Matthews praised Obama’s speech: "I think the President's speech yesterday was the reason we Americans elected him. It was grand. It was positive. Hopeful...But what I liked about the President's speech in Cairo was that it showed a complete humility...The question now is whether the President we elected and spoke for us so grandly yesterday can carry out the great vision he gave us and to the world."

Matthews discussed Obama’s upcoming speech marking the 65th anniversary of D-Day and compared it to that of Ronald Reagan. He then turned to Thomas and asked: "Reagan and World War II and the sense of us as the good guys in the world, how are we doing?" Thomas replied: "Well, we were the good guys in 1984, it felt that way. It hasn't felt that way in recent years. So Obama’s had, really, a different task We're seen too often as the bad guys. And he – he has a very different job from – Reagan was all about America, and you talked about it. Obama is ‘we are above that now.’ We're not just parochial, we're not just chauvinistic, we're not just provincial."
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« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2009, 07:10:54 PM »
Yeah... you're right. There is NO media bias. Its just the rantings of that VRWC.

You mean like Fox (highest rated cable by far), and virtually all of talk radio? That bias? If all the Republican Party has is dumb stuff, and chasing off all except the "true believers", and making sure they lose the vast majority of people of race, then they will doubtlessly remain an ineffective "pup tent" regional party for a very long time. And that would suck. I rather hope they get this circular firing squad thing out of their system, and become a party of ideas, instead of the party of pettiness and whining.

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« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2009, 07:41:47 PM »
The voices of moderate republicans are being drowned out by wackos. This is not good for the party and for the country. Time for the moderates to speak up and the wackos to shut up.

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« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2009, 10:07:53 PM »
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Quote from: "sgallan"
Look at this thread. Look at the initial tone of the Sotomyer debate. Listen to talk radio (hge audience). Look at the "the media only covered the abortion shooter and not the other one" (not true) the media is out to get us debate. Look at the NYC 'date' thing. All ridiculous..... just like the election..... and obviously it didn't work then.... what makes you think it will work now.
Yeah... you're right. There is NO media bias. Its just the rantings  of that VRWC.

Newsweek editor Evan Thomas brought adulation over President Obama’s Cairo speech to a whole new level on Friday, declaring on MSNBC: "I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God."

Thomas, appearing on Hardball with Chris Matthews, was reacting to a preceding monologue in which Matthews praised Obama’s speech: "I think the President's speech yesterday was the reason we Americans elected him. It was grand. It was positive. Hopeful...But what I liked about the President's speech in Cairo was that it showed a complete humility...The question now is whether the President we elected and spoke for us so grandly yesterday can carry out the great vision he gave us and to the world."

Matthews discussed Obama’s upcoming speech marking the 65th anniversary of D-Day and compared it to that of Ronald Reagan. He then turned to Thomas and asked: "Reagan and World War II and the sense of us as the good guys in the world, how are we doing?" Thomas replied: "Well, we were the good guys in 1984, it felt that way. It hasn't felt that way in recent years. So Obama’s had, really, a different task We're seen too often as the bad guys. And he – he has a very different job from – Reagan was all about America, and you talked about it. Obama is ‘we are above that now.’ We're not just parochial, we're not just chauvinistic, we're not just provincial."

MSM and Obama liberal groupies lack the ability to see their own partisanship .They despise FOX simply because it is a alternative to MSM. FOX is actually less biased than MSM imho. I  read   "A Slobbering Love Affair" by Goldberg recently. It makes sense to me.


McCain  quickly provided his birth certificate when he was challenged and the case was actually allowed to be argued before a judge. http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2008/ ... s-mcc.html  McCain's citizenship  was  also discussed in Congress.   Obama should have done the same thing  McCain did months ago in 2008 when he was challenged.. I supported McCain since he didn't think he was exempt from the law. Obama supporters hypocritically defend the indefensible imho. This is also why they engage in so much name calling since it's their only recourse.
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« Reply #58 on: June 08, 2009, 10:27:57 PM »
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Yeah... you're right. There is NO media bias. Its just the rantings of that VRWC.

You mean like Fox (highest rated cable by far), and virtually all of talk radio? That bias? If all the Republican Party has is dumb stuff, and chasing off all except the "true believers", and making sure they lose the vast majority of people of race, then they will doubtlessly remain an ineffective "pup tent" regional party for a very long time. And that would suck. I rather hope they get this circular firing squad thing out of their system, and become a party of ideas, instead of the party of pettiness and whining.

What's wrong with people watching whatever they please? The Democrats are the one's pushing for the "Fairness Doctrine" regarding FOX and talk radio. These same promoters of the "Fairness Doctrine" would scream bloody murder if it was applied to MSM. They'd cry that applying the "Fairness Doctrine" in this manner was fascist.They hypocritically want to apply it to talk radio and FOX only as MSM continues to lose customers.
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Re: Would a man with nothing to hide behave like that?
« Reply #59 on: June 09, 2009, 08:29:48 AM »
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with these side show issues being their main focus - sgallan

I don't know of any Republicans that fit your description.  If any do, they do have problems.  The economy, socialism/capitalism, and national security are definitely at the main focus.  What news source do you use that tells you otherwise?
I challenge your statement and this is your reply?!?

Look at this thread.
You mean we can only talk about the really big issues only?

Look at the initial tone of the Sotomyer debate.
"at the tone", the Supreme Court appointment is its own seperate major item.  How lame to criticize the discussions about it and use that to belittle the Republicans.

Listen to talk radio (hge audience).
Meaningless, unsupportive of your claim statement.

Look at the "the media only covered the abortion shooter and not the other one" (not true) the media is out to get us debate.
Almost completely true.  There are other things too instead of just "economy, national security, and socialism/capitalism".  Any government leader has to address many issues that have an impact on the people.  Strike 3.

 Look at the NYC 'date' thing. All ridiculous..... just like the election..... and obviously it didn't work then.... what makes you think it will work now.
I don't even know what you are talking about here.  It must be a MAJOR focus.  Strike 4.
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