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If Only
« on: June 29, 2014, 08:26:46 PM »
I had figured out how to communicate as this young lady has, we may have avoided a lot of hostility and with luck some of you may have migrated over to the light.

http://richarddawkins.net/2014/06/how-to-convert-a-christian-to-atheism/
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Re: If Only
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2014, 10:20:25 AM »
I've mentioned before that, although I was confirmed and had nearly 14 years of religious education in my church that I grew up in, I have lived the vast majority of my life oscillating between an atheist and an agnostic.  It is only recently that I have rediscovered my Lutheran faith, so I'm a relatively recent "convert," if you will.

With that said, just as I'm sure than an atheist would resent someone of faith trying to convert them, why would we assume that someone of faith would desire to be converted to atheism?  That just seems pretentious to me.
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Re: If Only
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2014, 02:21:02 PM »
View it not as conversion, but as freeing them from oppressive shackles.
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Re: If Only
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2014, 04:05:36 PM »
Not many people who have strong faith want their "shackles" removed.

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Re: If Only
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2014, 04:48:49 PM »
As a matter of fact, they might just quote Shakespeare.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

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Re: If Only
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2014, 07:17:35 PM »
We just need to open their eyes to the light of truth.
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Re: If Only
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2014, 07:21:00 PM »
Not many people who have strong faith want their "shackles" removed.

That is basically what the young lady is saying.  Do not expect them to welcome the rescue, it will take them a while to view it as such.  It is understood by anyone who rescues someone from long term brainwashing.
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Re: If Only
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2014, 10:44:35 PM »
Jefferson Starship.
There's always Bulgaria.

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Re: If Only
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2014, 11:17:09 PM »
Why not just let people believe what they want and quit referring to someone who thinks different as being brainwashed?

I could care less what a person believes. The only people who bother me are the ones who endlessly try to claim they are better than everyone else and force their opinions on everyone. Then when people disagree, they say dumb things like "brainwash" or "sheeple."

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Re: If Only
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2014, 12:27:53 AM »
Yeah those holier than thou missionaries get on my nerves too

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Re: If Only
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2014, 12:42:37 AM »
I live in Mormon country and can count on one hand how many times a missionary has came to my home in the last 38yrs. While I don't agree with them, I don't go out of my way to call them brainwashed and then try and convert them.
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Re: If Only
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2014, 04:07:57 AM »
I think the point is that they are trying to convert you.

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Re: If Only
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2014, 06:00:29 AM »
The difference is I do not proselytize, I simply defend the evidence, the truth and hope they will see the light.  If others do not try to impose there superstition on myself or anyone else around me, I don't bother anyone else with my position either.
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Re: If Only
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2014, 08:23:40 AM »
Miiracles
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Re: If Only
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2014, 10:36:30 AM »
Miiracles
don't exist.  Or at least have never ever been shown to exist.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark;  the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.

Bigotry disguised as religious liberty is still BIGOTRY