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Taymazov and Kudukhov Stripped of Olympic Medals
« on: August 29, 2016, 11:37:39 AM »
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Re: Taymazov and Kudukhov Stripped of Olympic Medals
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2016, 12:39:22 AM »
It's interesting they popped him for one and not the other.
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Re: Taymazov and Kudukhov Stripped of Olympic Medals
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2016, 09:04:35 AM »
Who bumps up on the medal count now?

I saw a headline that Dutt may have his bronze turned to silver.

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Re: Taymazov and Kudukhov Stripped of Olympic Medals
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2016, 09:22:21 AM »
It's interesting they popped him for one and not the other.
Making changes to your all time list?

Yeah, the all-time lists must be updated.  I'm not sure what to do with him now.  I'll have to look into it.

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Re: Taymazov and Kudukhov Stripped of Olympic Medals
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2016, 06:31:55 PM »
I don't see what the point is personally.  That was years ago.  If they had rules but could not enforce them, then what incentive is there to abide by the rules?  It does no good to say you can't have a certain substance in your urine if you can't even test for it. 

I'm not a real fan of these guys but I think stripping them of their medals is not the right way to go.   I assume from this that no one else in the competition had "illegal drugs" in their bodies at the point of Olympic competition in 2008 and 2012.  I'm not sure that is as cut and dried as it may seem.

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Re: Taymazov and Kudukhov Stripped of Olympic Medals
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2016, 05:12:29 PM »
I don't see what the point is personally.  That was years ago.  If they had rules but could not enforce them, then what incentive is there to abide by the rules?  It does no good to say you can't have a certain substance in your urine if you can't even test for it. 

I'm not a real fan of these guys but I think stripping them of their medals is not the right way to go.   I assume from this that no one else in the competition had "illegal drugs" in their bodies at the point of Olympic competition in 2008 and 2012.  I'm not sure that is as cut and dried as it may seem.

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Re: Taymazov and Kudukhov Stripped of Olympic Medals
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2016, 11:25:08 PM »
When Coleman Scott gets his gold medal now can he sue WADA for lost wages?
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Re: Taymazov and Kudukhov Stripped of Olympic Medals
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2016, 05:42:37 AM »
Papers in India and in the ME are really grabbing onto the story of Scott getting the gold and Dutt getting the silver.

In other news, newspapers overseas cover wrestling quite a bit.

Any word from UWW or the IOC?

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Re: Taymazov and Kudukhov Stripped of Olympic Medals
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2016, 05:48:59 AM »
When Coleman Scott gets his gold medal now can he sue WADA for lost wages?

Not sure what basis he can sue.

I clearly remember in the run up to the Beijing Olympics, it was stated that the blood/urine would be held for a period of time because they knew that the testing labs were still a few years behind on catching up with the cheaters.

The WADA, VADA, USADA, etc. simply didn't have the technology at the time to catch the cheaters.

Now that the technology of 2016 has caught up to the drugs of 2012, what was against the rules in 2012 are being highlighted and results will be updated.

Now, if WADA knew that Coleman's opponents were doping four years ago, and let the test results slide, then Scott would have a case.

Rather I think this is just a matter of the testing labs finally catching up to the dopers from four years ago.

I assume that will also mean that come 2020, we may see some results from 2016 change.


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Re: Taymazov and Kudukhov Stripped of Olympic Medals
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2016, 01:08:32 PM »
Track and field still has samples dating back to the 88 games.  Imagine if they were retested.

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Re: Taymazov and Kudukhov Stripped of Olympic Medals
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2016, 05:38:45 PM »
I wonder if they have any samples from the East German women's teams from back in the day.

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Re: Taymazov and Kudukhov Stripped of Olympic Medals
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2016, 06:05:42 PM »
Track and field still has samples dating back to the 88 games.  Imagine if they were retested.

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