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Way too early Hodge & Frosh of the Year Awards
« on: January 11, 2018, 10:27:10 AM »
Who are your picks?
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Re: Way too early Hodge & Frosh of the Year Awards
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2018, 11:45:35 AM »
Zahid and Yianni.
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Re: Way too early Hodge & Frosh of the Year Awards
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2018, 12:40:43 PM »
Zahid is at the back of the pack with only 3 falls so far.

Nolf has 12 pins in 14 bouts, a forfeit and a tech fall.

Zain's train has 11 falls, 2 techs and a major in tow.

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Re: Way too early Hodge & Frosh of the Year Awards
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2018, 12:53:21 PM »
You have to take into account that anyone that can got out of their weights so now they only have fish to wrestle.   Well, it's an explanation, perhaps not a good one .

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Re: Way too early Hodge & Frosh of the Year Awards
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2018, 01:46:47 PM »
You have to take into account that anyone that can got out of their weights so now they only have fish to wrestle.   Well, it's an explanation, perhaps not a good one .

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Thats possibly an even bigger indication of dominance.
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Re: Way too early Hodge & Frosh of the Year Awards
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2018, 02:27:22 PM »
Unless the guys that left were not fish but wanted to have a chance at a championship.

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Re: Way too early Hodge & Frosh of the Year Awards
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2018, 02:43:11 PM »
Unless the guys that left were not fish but wanted to have a chance at a championship.

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So he moves out of his natural weight to take on a less dominating wrestler.

Its a sign of domination when you opponents run from you.
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Re: Way too early Hodge & Frosh of the Year Awards
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 03:13:06 PM »
the only statistic that should matter is Alex's new "points per minute" thing he did.
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Re: Way too early Hodge & Frosh of the Year Awards
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2018, 04:09:13 PM »
the only statistic that should matter is Alex's new "points per minute" thing he did.

I like that stat, its a true differentiator.  I'm surprised it hasn't been conceived before. Well, I hadn't read about anyone using it before.  It equates to a pitcher's ERA and time on the mound measured in outs.

Lese we keep in mind, the Hodge Committee gravitates to pin fall count as the primary criterion.

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Re: Way too early Hodge & Frosh of the Year Awards
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2018, 04:12:43 PM »
Unless the guys that left were not fish but wanted to have a chance at a championship.

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So he moves out of his natural weight to take on a less dominating wrestler.

Its a sign of domination when you opponents run from you.

I'm just saying if this is the case, he might not be getting so many pins.  I'm not saying he doesn't dominate.  But if good guys who won't get pinned by him leave to become a champion at another weight because they can't beat him, that leaves less talented wrestlers for him to pin.  It happened to Cael. 

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Re: Way too early Hodge & Frosh of the Year Awards
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2018, 06:00:24 PM »
the only statistic that should matter is Alex's new "points per minute" thing he did.
Does it factor points before a fall?
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Re: Way too early Hodge & Frosh of the Year Awards
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2018, 06:50:03 PM »
Hodge

1. Retherford - won last year, so I don't see why they wouldn't give it to him again (assuming he's just as dominant and wins out)
2. Nolf - may be more dominant than Retherford, but that won't be enough
3. Snyder - best wrestler in the world but I guess his lack of matches hurts his chances. Will be a 4x NCAA finalist and 3x HWT Champ.
4. IMar - if he wins out, he'll be a 4x finalist and 3x Champ too. He puts up points, but not many falls (compared to Retherford and Nolf).

Nobody else is in contention for this year for the Hodge unless all 4 of these guys lose.

Frosh of the year

1. Yianni - could win out
2. Hidlay - could be in the finals
3. DeSanto - could be in the finals if he figures out bottom by March
4. Spencer Lee - has the talent to win out, but I don't think a DNP is totally out of the picture for him









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Re: Way too early Hodge & Frosh of the Year Awards
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2018, 07:18:38 PM »
Zahid is at the back of the pack with only 3 falls so far.

Nolf has 12 pins in 14 bouts, a forfeit and a tech fall.

Zain's train has 11 falls, 2 techs and a major in tow.

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Re: Way too early Hodge & Frosh of the Year Awards
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2018, 09:43:00 PM »
Zahid is at the back of the pack with only 3 falls so far.

Nolf has 12 pins in 14 bouts, a forfeit and a tech fall.

Zain's train has 11 falls, 2 techs and a major in tow.

Can you give me some credit for getting the “Za” right??

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Re: Way too early Hodge & Frosh of the Year Awards
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2018, 12:23:34 PM »
the only statistic that should matter is Alex's new "points per minute" thing he did.
Does it factor points before a fall?

It does.

Also, Zain and Nolf are the only ones who have a chance unless they both lose. The voters have been pretty clear on what they value and I'd be a little surprised if Zain doesn't win it.  Snyder is the wild card being a senior and with all he has accomplished, but even with his dominance, he wasn't close to winning it last year and will suffer the same knocks this season. IMar is a beast and is an excellent candidate. However, since this is an award with voters, the perception that he is not on the same level as Retherford (he isn't, but it is closer than most would think) or Nolf in dominance will hurt him, IMO.

I like Yianni as freshman of the year over Hidlay, too, but that one won't be decided until NCAAs. Both Lee and Yianni have incredible weight classes to navigate so if they do, they'll make a strong case.  I can't imagine Hidlay getting past Nolf, but if he can compete with Kemerer, that will be quite an accomplishment regardless. Other interesting candidates are LaMont, Montorie Bridges, Ryan Deakin, Evan Wick, Max Dean, Ben Darmstadt, and Taylor Venz.  Fantastic freshmen class this year.