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6th year for Dhesi
« on: February 22, 2018, 11:02:45 AM »
What would be necessary for a wrestler like Dhesi who was injured for two years to get a 6th year of eligibility?

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Re: 6th year for Dhesi
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2018, 12:25:53 PM »
The standard, as I understand it, is that he would need to miss the majority of two seasons due to injury.  However, the last time I looked at the rules, a year missed that doesn't burn eligibility because the athlete redshirts typically does not count towards those two years.  By the letter of the law, I'd say Dhesi doesn't qualify.  However, applying for a sixth year is something of a mysterious process where a committee makes the decision and looking at the history of it, their decisions are hard to decipher.  I'd say Anthony Ashnault (Rutgers) shouldn't have a chance either given that he RSd, wrestled three years, then missed this year due to injury.  However, it seems Rutgers thinks he has a good chance.  Dhesi would seem to have a better argument so, maybe? 

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Re: 6th year for Dhesi
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2018, 01:27:35 PM »
The standard, as I understand it, is that he would need to miss the majority of two seasons due to injury.  However, the last time I looked at the rules, a year missed that doesn't burn eligibility because the athlete redshirts typically does not count towards those two years.  By the letter of the law, I'd say Dhesi doesn't qualify.  However, applying for a sixth year is something of a mysterious process where a committee makes the decision and looking at the history of it, their decisions are hard to decipher.  I'd say Anthony Ashnault (Rutgers) shouldn't have a chance either given that he RSd, wrestled three years, then missed this year due to injury.  However, it seems Rutgers thinks he has a good chance.  Dhesi would seem to have a better argument so, maybe?

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Re: 6th year for Dhesi
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2018, 05:53:22 PM »
The standard, as I understand it, is that he would need to miss the majority of two seasons due to injury.  However, the last time I looked at the rules, a year missed that doesn't burn eligibility because the athlete redshirts typically does not count towards those two years.  By the letter of the law, I'd say Dhesi doesn't qualify.  However, applying for a sixth year is something of a mysterious process where a committee makes the decision and looking at the history of it, their decisions are hard to decipher.  I'd say Anthony Ashnault (Rutgers) shouldn't have a chance either given that he RSd, wrestled three years, then missed this year due to injury.  However, it seems Rutgers thinks he has a good chance.  Dhesi would seem to have a better argument so, maybe?

Don't go by how OSU is describing him as having 2 red shirt years.  The NCAA only allows for 1 red shirt year.  The occurrence of the injury while intending to red shirt doesn't matter.  If the student athlete can document loss of 70% of the scheduled competition over the 2 years, the medical waiver for a 6th year hardship will be issued. Every waiver that meets the published criteria is granted, with rare exceptions.

In Ashnault's case,  he was redshirting his first year and wrestled in 2 opens.  In the second open he suffered a knee injury which kept him out of competition for 14 weeks.  He didn't get back onto the mat until the season was over.

They'll both get hardship waivers.

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Re: 6th year for Dhesi
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2018, 10:13:45 AM »
The standard, as I understand it, is that he would need to miss the majority of two seasons due to injury.  However, the last time I looked at the rules, a year missed that doesn't burn eligibility because the athlete redshirts typically does not count towards those two years.  By the letter of the law, I'd say Dhesi doesn't qualify.  However, applying for a sixth year is something of a mysterious process where a committee makes the decision and looking at the history of it, their decisions are hard to decipher.  I'd say Anthony Ashnault (Rutgers) shouldn't have a chance either given that he RSd, wrestled three years, then missed this year due to injury.  However, it seems Rutgers thinks he has a good chance.  Dhesi would seem to have a better argument so, maybe?

Don't go by how OSU is describing him as having 2 red shirt years.  The NCAA only allows for 1 red shirt year.  The occurrence of the injury while intending to red shirt doesn't matter.  If the student athlete can document loss of 70% of the scheduled competition over the 2 years, the medical waiver for a 6th year hardship will be issued. Every waiver that meets the published criteria is granted, with rare exceptions.

In Ashnault's case,  he was redshirting his first year and wrestled in 2 opens.  In the second open he suffered a knee injury which kept him out of competition for 14 weeks.  He didn't get back onto the mat until the season was over.

They'll both get hardship waivers.

I wasn't buying the second redshirt (do you really think I didn't know you can only have one redshirt?), the NCAA rulebook specifically cites a redshirt year as "12.8.1.5.1.2 Circumstances Within Control" which does not count towards depriving the athlete of the opportunity to participate in more than one season during their five year window.  I wasn't aware that Ashnault was hurt his true freshman season so that does change things.  The recent interpretation of the rules suggests they'll both get one, but the inclusion of the redshirt year under Circumstances Within Control muddies the issue.  Maybe they only mean redshirting when you're healthy and could otherwise compete?

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Re: 6th year for Dhesi
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2018, 10:36:44 AM »
Also, one minor quibble on Ashnault, he wrestled at the NCO in March of that season.  He should still qualify by the 70% rule, though.

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Re: 6th year for Dhesi
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2018, 05:51:14 PM »
Also, one minor quibble on Ashnault, he wrestled at the NCO in March of that season.  He should still qualify by the 70% rule, though.

Actually, it's the 30% rule and only applies to official university scheduled meets.  Opens are not official meets even though they appear on the school schedule as fan information..    Wins and loss at Opens do not appear on your official university record, though almost all schools include them on the website and season statistical records.


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Re: 6th year for Dhesi
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2018, 04:12:27 PM »
Also, one minor quibble on Ashnault, he wrestled at the NCO in March of that season.  He should still qualify by the 70% rule, though.

Actually, it's the 30% rule and only applies to official university scheduled meets.  Opens are not official meets even though they appear on the school schedule as fan information..    Wins and loss at Opens do not appear on your official university record, though almost all schools include them on the website and season statistical records.

I don't know what an "official university record" is, but matches wrestled at opens absolutely do appear on the official record forms submitted to the NCAA to be used for seeding, RPI, coaches ranking, etc.  That seems more applicable.  Also, my point about him wrestling in the NCO is that, being a redshirt, we have no idea when he was healthy and which dates in the second semester he could have wrestled.  At some point that season, he was healthy enough to compete again.  The rule isn't focused on how many dates you missed, it's how many you were forced to miss so it's an important distinction.

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Re: 6th year for Dhesi
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2018, 04:24:46 PM »
Also, here is the entire rule for those who care:

12.8.1.7 Five-Year Rule Waiver. The Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, or its designated committee,
by a two-thirds majority of its members present and voting, may approve waivers of the five-year rule as
it deems appropriate. (Revised: 7/30/10, 7/31/14)
12.8.1.7.1 Waiver Criteria. A waiver of the five-year period of eligibility is designed to provide a studentathlete
with the opportunity to participate in four seasons of intercollegiate competition within a five-year
period. This waiver may be granted, based upon objective evidence, for reasons that are beyond the control
of the student-athlete or the institution, which deprive the student-athlete of the opportunity to participate
for more than one season in his or her sport within the five-year period. The Committee on Student-Athlete
Reinstatement reserves the right to review requests that do not meet the more-than-one-year criteria detailed
in this bylaw for circumstances of extraordinary or extreme hardship. A student-athlete who has exhausted
his or her five years of eligibility may continue to practice (but not compete) for a maximum of 30 consecutive
calendar days, provided the student-athlete’s institution has submitted a waiver request. The studentathlete
may not commence practice until the institution has filed such a request. Further, if such a request
is denied prior to exhausting the 30-day practice period, the student-athlete must cease all practice activities
upon the institution’s notification of the denial. (Revised: 4/17/91, 1/11/94, 8/10/94, 10/12/95, 4/27/00,
7/30/10, 7/31/14)
12.8.1.7.1.1 Circumstances Beyond Control. Circumstances considered to be beyond the control
of the student-athlete or the institution and do not cause a participation opportunity to be used
shall include, but are not limited to, the following: (Adopted: 8/10/94, Revised: 10/12/95, 8/12/97,
1/9/06, 7/30/10, 7/31/14)
(a) Situations clearly supported by contemporaneous medical documentation, which states that a
student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate competition as a result of incapacitating
physical or mental circumstances;
(b) The student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate athletics as a result of a life-threatening
or incapacitating injury or illness suffered by a member of the student-athlete’s immediate
family, which clearly is supported by contemporaneous medical documentation;
(c) Reliance by the student-athlete upon written, contemporaneous, clearly erroneous academic
advice provided to the student-athlete from a specific academic authority from a collegiate institution
regarding the academic status of the student-athlete or prospective student-athlete, which
directly leads to that individual not being eligible to participate and, but for the clearly erroneous
advice, the student-athlete would have established eligibility for intercollegiate competition;
(d) Natural disasters (e.g., earthquake, flood); and
(e) Extreme financial difficulties as a result of a specific event (e.g., layoff, death in the family)
experienced by the student-athlete or by an individual upon whom the student-athlete is legally
dependent, which prohibit the student-athlete from participating in intercollegiate athletics.
These circumstances must be clearly supported by objective documentation (e.g., decree of
bankruptcy, proof of termination) and must be beyond the control of the student-athlete or the
individual upon whom the student-athlete is legally dependent.
12.8.1.7.1.2 Circumstances Within Control. Circumstances that are considered to be within the
control of the student-athlete or the institution and cause a participation opportunity to be used in2017-18
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clude, but are not limited to, the following: (Adopted: 8/10/94, Revised: 10/12/95, 10/9/96, 7/30/10,
7/31/14)
(a) A student-athlete’s decision to attend an institution that does not sponsor his/her sport, or decides
not to participate at an institution that does sponsor his/her sport;
(b) An inability to participate due to failure to meet institutional/conference or NCAA academic
requirements, or disciplinary reasons or incarceration culminating in or resulting from a conviction;

(c) Reliance by a student-athlete upon misinformation from a coaching staff member;
(d) Redshirt year;
(e) An inability to participate as a result of a transfer year in residence or fulfilling a condition for
restoration of eligibility; and
(f) A student-athlete’s lack of understanding regarding the specific starting date of his or her fiveyear
period of eligibility.

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Re: 6th year for Dhesi
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2018, 10:51:05 AM »
I think it was a decade ago when Eric Bradley got a 6th year while at Penn  State due to a back injury.

During his time off he won the collegiate boxing championship (boxing is not a sport sanctioned by the NCAA)

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Re: 6th year for Dhesi
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2018, 02:11:10 PM »
The standard, as I understand it, is that he would need to miss the majority of two seasons due to injury.  However, the last time I looked at the rules, a year missed that doesn't burn eligibility because the athlete redshirts typically does not count towards those two years.  By the letter of the law, I'd say Dhesi doesn't qualify.  However, applying for a sixth year is something of a mysterious process where a committee makes the decision and looking at the history of it, their decisions are hard to decipher.  I'd say Anthony Ashnault (Rutgers) shouldn't have a chance either given that he RSd, wrestled three years, then missed this year due to injury.  However, it seems Rutgers thinks he has a good chance.  Dhesi would seem to have a better argument so, maybe?

Word came in yesterday, Ashnault was awarded a medical hardship waiver for a 6th year.