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Re: Pendelton new guy at Oregon St
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2020, 06:14:05 PM »
Yeah, and hopefully he can recruit some bluechippers where Z wasn't able to.  And hopefully he can convince some real talent to come and assist him.  Z had that at the beginning but lost them and then there was the controversy with that caveman Simmons and the program never came out of that. 

Fresh start is good. 

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Re: Pendelton new guy at Oregon St
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2020, 06:29:18 PM »
Yeah, and hopefully he can recruit some bluechippers where Z wasn't able to.  And hopefully he can convince some real talent to come and assist him.  Z had that at the beginning but lost them and then there was the controversy with that caveman Simmons and the program never came out of that. 

Fresh start is good. 

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Never heard about that. Tell us about it.

I just can imagine any problems with such a fine sportsman as Simmons. ::)
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Re: Pendelton new guy at Oregon St
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2020, 11:08:51 AM »
https://pamplinmedia.com/component/content/article?id=69276

Z did absolutely nothing.  That was my first big beef with Z.   Simmons was not censured in any way.  Eggregious behavior and I think the root of why Rockhard had his kids remove themselves from that program.  I'm sure he was seeing similar things. 

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Re: Pendelton new guy at Oregon St
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2020, 12:47:36 PM »
https://pamplinmedia.com/component/content/article?id=69276

Z did absolutely nothing.  That was my first big beef with Z.   Simmons was not censured in any way.  Eggregious behavior and I think the root of why Rockhard had his kids remove themselves from that program.  I'm sure he was seeing similar things. 

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Im just curious about what Simmons did or said. I think he's a bigger jerk than DeSanto personally.
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Re: Pendelton new guy at Oregon St
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2020, 01:33:17 PM »
https://pamplinmedia.com/component/content/article?id=69276

Z did absolutely nothing.  That was my first big beef with Z.   Simmons was not censured in any way.  Eggregious behavior and I think the root of why Rockhard had his kids remove themselves from that program.  I'm sure he was seeing similar things. 

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Im just curious about what Simmons did or said. I think he's a bigger jerk than DeSanto personally.

He clocked a frosh in the side of the head and screwed up his hearing.

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Re: Pendelton new guy at Oregon St
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2020, 01:50:56 PM »
https://pamplinmedia.com/component/content/article?id=69276

Z did absolutely nothing.  That was my first big beef with Z.   Simmons was not censured in any way.  Eggregious behavior and I think the root of why Rockhard had his kids remove themselves from that program.  I'm sure he was seeing similar things. 

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Im just curious about what Simmons did or said. I think he's a bigger jerk than DeSanto personally.

From the article:

Rosenfield and Simmons were among about 30 wrestlers - some of them high school recruits - congregated at Reser Stadium on April 12 for an informal practice session that amounted to a pickup game of Ultimate Frisbee. Rosenfield says things got a little rough.

'We were all tackling each other,' Rosenfield says. At one point, 'Nick took out the legs of me and another kid. I grabbed his leg to stop him and knocked his sunglasses off. He turned around and freaked out on me. 'Do you want to get punched in the head?' he said. I said, 'You've got to be kidding.' I turned around to keep playing, and he cold-cocked me on the side of head.'

Damage unknown at first

Rosenfield eventually got to his feet and, unaware of the extent of the damage, continued to play for a half-hour until the game was over. As he walked to his dormitory, Rosenfield noticed he was bleeding from the ear. 'My head was swelling, and I started to get the worst headache I've ever had,' he says.

Rosenfield called his mother, Robyn, a pharmacist with experience as a nurse. She told him to go to an urgent-care facility.

The attending physician set up Rosenfield with an appointment with an ear, nose and throat specialist.

The specialist said, ' 'Your ear is pretty badly ruptured, and the cochlea and nerve are damaged, too,' ' Rosenfield said.

... Oregon State wrestling coach Jim Zalesky and assistants Troy Steiner and Kevin Roberts are mentioned on Orange Crush's home page. Cameron Rosenfield says Zalesky and Roberts were standing on the sidelines at Reser Stadium when the April 12 altercation occurred.

'They had to have seen it,' Rosenfield says. 'After it happened, I looked around, and the coaches were standing right there. They didn't do anything.'

'I didn't see it,' says Zalesky, who just completed his second year at OSU after nine years as head coach at Iowa.

Zalesky was at Iowa when Simmons was at Michigan State, also a Big Ten school.

'I knew him there and in high school,' Zalesky says. 'Sometimes you look for guys to come in and train and try to make an Olympic team. You want to have that kind of program. He's been training with our club.'

Of his understanding of the alleged altercation, 'It's just one of those things,' Zalesky says. 'They were playing a game. Cameron hit (Simmons') knee out. Nick … thought he did it on purpose. He kind of gave (Rosenfield) a slap aside the head, and he kind of got an ear problem there. It was one of those things that just happened, like you're in a room wrestling and you hit a knee or something. … It was just retaliation. That's what a wrestler is used to a lot of times.'

David Rosenfield says he had a phone conversation with Zalesky.

'He showed zero compassion,' Rosenfield says. 'I asked him if he was aware of the extent of the injury, and he at first said no. When I explained it and told him about the surgery, he said he knew (Cameron's) ear was hurting. I asked who would be responsible for this, and he said, 'Nick Simmons.' '

 No word from coaches

Other than that, the OSU coaches who had been in constant contact with the Rosenfields through the recruiting process haven't spoken with the family since April 12.

'None of the coaches have called or checked to see how I'm doing,' Cameron Rosenfield says. 'All of a sudden, it's like I'm erased from the equation. It feels like betrayal. I had so much going for me, loved wrestling at Oregon State so much, and this happens, and they've just dropped me. I don't understand how they could do that. It hurts. I put so much trust and faith in them.'


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Re: Pendelton new guy at Oregon St
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2020, 03:25:35 PM »
Sounds like a good case for a damage suit and arrest warrant. Especially the later.
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Re: Pendelton new guy at Oregon St
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2020, 03:44:22 PM »
Yah, but it never happened.  I lost respect for Z after this. 

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