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Title: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: KR1963 on November 15, 2011, 02:15:05 AM
The difference will be BONUS...

125 Sanders WBD over Megaludis 0-3
Zach by 2 or 3 on paper but this is the most likely upset is here for me to pick if I was going to pick one.

133 Thorn WBD over Reber 0-6
Thorn might get bonus here the way Reber looked vs Bloom

141 Dardenes WBD over Sherlock 0-9
If Sherlock wrestles like he did in the 3rd period vs Bloom it could be a different outcome. We just don't know what to expect from him at this point. Sam getting a win here would be a big boost for PSU.

149 Molinaro WBM over Ness 4-9
Tank looked very tough vs Bloom. Little Ness is no slouch. It could be another 7 point win but I am going with the Bonus here.

157 Deitchler WBD over D Alton 4-12
Probably the biggest toss up match in the Dual. Alton didn't look good on the mat. If he can ride Jake he might get the win based upon RT. But I am sure that if he couldn't ride Hickman he isn't ridng Jake either. If Dylan keeps it on his feet, he also has a better chance. PSU fans should know that the oft-injured Deitchler was a 2008 GR Olympian at the age of 17 or 18. Could be some good body locks happening here. THis match could have a very Quentin-esque ending either way.

165 Taylor WBTF over Yonn 9-12
I am sure Minny fans will disagree but Cody lost 2xs last year to Sponseller, some DT beat by 14 last season. I know the flip to that will be that Yohn beat Polz 2xs someone that beat DT in FS 2 years ago but not the same thing.

174 ER WBM Young 13-12
I would say WBF but Ed had the cradle 4xs last week on Dessino & couldn't get the pin. I think he might be a little rusty this earlier in the season as he had surgery & was not working for most of the summer.

184 Wright WBM Steinhouse 17-12
I am sure all the Minny fans will doubt this. I think Q is ready to go this year. He will return the favor from last year's dual. Dominate.

197 Yonn WBD McIntosh 17-15
From what I have seen, I am sure if the young PSU super frosh is NOT ready to crack the top 5. I think he will not be able to ride Yohn like he did Perry. Perry also got in 3 good shots on MM. I am sure Yohn will finish his. An upset win here by MM would probably clinch the dual for PSU & bring the packed house of 6500 DOWN.

285 Wade WBD Nelson 20-15 PSU over Minnesota
In his first match back Cam was looking bigger but faster & improved on his feet. I would bet 99% of wrestling fans will agree that it will come down to 285 to decide the dual lie last year.

I could see at the end of the year a 3 way tie for the Dual championship in the B1G where out of PSU, Iowa & Minny they all take turns beating each other ending up all 7-1.


Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: fulsaasfan on November 15, 2011, 08:04:42 AM
I would be SHOCKED if Molinaro majored Ness. Ness is a tough match up for him and I expect a very good match! I also don't see Wright getting bonus on Steinhaus or Wade beating Nelson. I do think that 157 will be another toss up match that will have big implications on the final score.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: fuhr on November 15, 2011, 08:19:18 AM
Did Sherlock even have to pick up trash at the football stadium for his off-season incidents? 
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: Rockhard on November 15, 2011, 11:07:48 AM
Alton over Deitchler.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: jammen on November 15, 2011, 11:41:17 AM


1
149 Molinaro WBM over Ness 4-9
Tank looked very tough vs Bloom. Little Ness is no slouch. It could be another 7 point win but I am going with the Bonus here.

Out of all that silliness this stands out the most!  Don't be too shocked when Dylan wins this.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: OkieSpladle on November 15, 2011, 12:57:57 PM


1
149 Molinaro WBM over Ness 4-9
Tank looked very tough vs Bloom. Little Ness is no slouch. It could be another 7 point win but I am going with the Bonus here.

Out of all that silliness this stands out the most!  Don't be too shocked when Dylan wins this.

I can't wait for this match so those of us who haven't seen him can have a good measure of Ness.  It seems ridiculous to expect this kid to beat Molinaro at this point, but I know you Gopher fans are super high on him.  I agree it is a bit much to say he'll get majored considering Molinaro's style, but it seems about the same to me to say Ness wins it.  I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: Viratas on November 15, 2011, 01:06:52 PM
I think the idea for some that Ness can win has to do with how Frank wrestles. On paper it is a bad match up. Ness is a rider and pinner. Last year Frank struggled with good top guys. Heck Zilverberg owned him from the top. Second is franks gas tank. I mean when Mario Mason can gas you that says something. Ness goes after it hard.

I predicted frank winning especially this time of the year, but I think it is far more likely that Ness wins then Moliaro Majors him.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: Rockhard on November 15, 2011, 01:14:06 PM
I see Frank winning but only by 1pt and in regulation. If it goes to OT, Ness will win it.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: The Du on November 15, 2011, 02:02:09 PM
not sure how i feel about ness. (certainly a ton of potential)

we'll all know more after this bout.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: fuhr on November 15, 2011, 02:09:24 PM
I could also see ness roll across his own back trying to turn Frank and pinning himself. 
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: brycemus on November 15, 2011, 02:09:57 PM
I could see that happening fuhr...he's a little crazy at times on top
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: Viratas on November 15, 2011, 02:11:36 PM
I could also see ness roll across his own back trying to turn Frank and pinning himself.

Yes that could happen I agree
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: AFHawk86 on November 15, 2011, 02:46:25 PM
I could also see ness roll across his own back trying to turn Frank and pinning himself.
I think you're confusing wrestling styles--this isn't freestyle.  The ref has to count to 3 and slap the canvas!
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: The Du on November 15, 2011, 05:45:54 PM
I could also see ness roll across his own back trying to turn Frank and pinning himself.

while not specifically what i meant, certainly in that ball park.

Ness 'goes for it'.

so, the potential is there for him to hit a big move, but also to get himself in trouble.

and i think Ness still needs work on leg defense. Kindig scored on him over and over again this summer (albeit in FS)

plus, tank is a 5th year 3x AA.

a lot like the Sanders bout, im conservative on Megaludis and Ness, and won't pretend to know how well they'll wrestle against two credentialed seniors.

it's gonna be fun, thats for sure.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: pipewrench on November 15, 2011, 06:22:12 PM
Can't wait for this one.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: KR1963 on November 16, 2011, 03:44:33 AM


1
149 Molinaro WBM over Ness 4-9
Tank looked very tough vs Bloom. Little Ness is no slouch. It could be another 7 point win but I am going with the Bonus here.

Out of all that silliness this stands out the most!  Don't be too shocked when Dylan wins this.
I defer to your expertise on silliness....
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: KR1963 on November 16, 2011, 03:48:16 AM
I think the idea for some that Ness can win has to do with how Frank wrestles. On paper it is a bad match up. Ness is a rider and pinner. Last year Frank struggled with good top guys. Heck Zilverberg owned him from the top. Second is franks gas tank. I mean when Mario Mason can gas you that says something. Ness goes after it hard.

I predicted frank winning especially this time of the year, but I think it is far more likely that Ness wins then Moliaro Majors him.
Funny how some gopher memories are selective & ends after the PSU-Minn dual. Tank MAJORED Zilverberg at the B1gs 9-0 & never had "lung TOs" again. In the past 2 years He has been 2nd in # of Majors in the country at 149, with 11 each year.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: Viratas on November 16, 2011, 08:24:19 AM
KR as I said in another post... Anyone who gets gassed against Mario Mason is suspect.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: FlyingTiger on November 16, 2011, 08:34:50 AM
"Mario Mason gassed out Frank"  - complete fabrication.......

I have seen many of Molinaro matches over the years and he has developed a great gas tank. He has proved it over and over again. In the 1st match against Zberg, Minn fans want to forget that Molinaro started down, escaped and took mulitple shots while Zberg did NOTHING (i.e. stalled) right before the incident.......

And then in the match that never really happened, Frankie beats him to a pulp just a couple weeks later. Amazing how he was able to get in shape in just two weeks after not being able to do it all season.

Molinaro is better then Ness from neutral and is more likely to ride Ness then Ness is to ride Molinaro. Throw in a sold out rec hall and JRob's mouth and I don't see how Ness can win this.   
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: Viratas on November 16, 2011, 08:40:04 AM
I watched the matches numerous times against Mason. I stand by my statement

I was 5 feet from the Z and Molinaro match and stand by that.

Where we agree is that when it counted Frank was awesome.

I picked Frank to win this. But I also stand by the fact that I would not be shocked to see an upset.

In these dual, not much would shock me. There are 4 things that would surprise me in this one.

1. Reber besting Thorn
2. Any Goofer beating Taylor
3. Ruth losing to what may be a forfiet
4. Minnesota Winning by more the 2 points.

If any of that happened I would be surprised.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: jammen on November 16, 2011, 08:48:11 AM
Molinaro is better then Ness from neutral and is more likely to ride Ness then Ness is to ride Molinaro.

Oh, you're right.  Sorry I forgot just how good Molinaro is in the down position.  I can't wait to hear Frank say "I choose down."
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: fuhr on November 16, 2011, 08:57:09 AM

Molinaro is better then Ness.   

then who?
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: FlyingTiger on November 16, 2011, 09:34:24 AM
jammen, are you seriously comparing Ness to a 2 x National Champ that had a 10 pound weight advantage??
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: Viratas on November 16, 2011, 09:36:22 AM
jammen, are you seriously comparing Ness to a 2 x National Champ that had a ??

I would have fully agreed with this until you said "10 pound weight advantage"....

They were in the same weight class and both had to make weight...
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: ronsnap on November 16, 2011, 09:56:42 AM
Not true.   Dake was wrestling 159.  Former champs always get a ten pound weight advantage at nationals.  Don't you guys follow wrestling?
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: FlyingTiger on November 16, 2011, 10:09:54 AM
It's always amusing listening to a couple avid wrestling fans play dumb. So if I went up to the stage right before the match and weighed both guys, the scale would of indicated 149 for both because that's the weight class, right?? Come on guys, you're well aware of what I speak of. With so much time to recover from the weight-ins for finals, Dake was huge Saturday night. If you don't think that was a factor in Frankie not being able to get out, you are kidding yourselves.
 
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: ronsnap on November 16, 2011, 10:14:53 AM
Was "Frankie" not allowed by the NCAA to go to 141 so he could have this same advantage?

Pretty poor excuse for why your guy lost. 


BTW, just last Saturday Bobby Telford rode Blake Rasing for the whole second period but Rasing was only able to ride Telford for about three seconds.  Amazing because Rasing weighs about 400lbs and Telford once wrestled 103.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: fuhr on November 16, 2011, 10:38:19 AM
It's always amusing listening to a couple avid wrestling fans play dumb. So if I went came up to the stage right before the match and weighed both guys, the scale would of indicated 149 for both because that's the weight class, right?? Come on guys, you're well aware of what I speak of. With so much time to recover from the weight-ins for finals, Dake was huge Saturday night. If you don't think that was a factor in Frankie not being able to get out, you are kidding yourselves.
 

I don't know if, in all of my years, I have seen a dumber excuse made by a wrestling fan.  Seriously not sure if you're serious or not. 

Back to my unanswered question, PSU fans or anyone in the know.  Did Sherlock's charges get dropped?  Did he sit out anything?  Did someone get a tattoo and a puppy so Cael had more important things to deal with than repeated alcohol violations?
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: FlyingTiger on November 16, 2011, 10:59:06 AM
fuhr, what's dumb is your conclusion that I was making an excuse for a loss. Maybe you should of spent some of those years trying to improve your reading comprehension.

Dake wrestled a fantastic tournament and was clearly the better wrestler. What I did do, however, was try to explain why you can't judge Molinaro's mat wrestling by that one match. i.e. why Ness will not ride Molinaro like Dake did. If you don't want to agree thats fine, but to not even consider what I'm saying as a possible factor is being obtuse.

Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: fuhr on November 16, 2011, 11:19:51 AM
weight is a factor in every match wrestled.  What you did sir is make an excuse for why "frankie" couldn't get away.  Do i think Nexx can ride like Dake, nope.  Do I think Ness is dangerous from the top and "Frankie" has shown he can be ridden like a show pony on Sunday? Yes.

Sherlock, what's the story?
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: ronsnap on November 16, 2011, 12:00:35 PM
Sherlock, what's the story?

Save your problems for another day so you can win right away. 

That seems to be the philosophy in State College.  Worked out well for Long, and the football team.

Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: ViseGrip on November 16, 2011, 12:31:18 PM
It's always amusing listening to a couple avid wrestling fans play dumb. So if I went came up to the stage right before the match and weighed both guys, the scale would of indicated 149 for both because that's the weight class, right?? Come on guys, you're well aware of what I speak of. With so much time to recover from the weight-ins for finals, Dake was huge Saturday night. If you don't think that was a factor in Frankie not being able to get out, you are kidding yourselves.
 

I don't know if, in all of my years, I have seen a dumber excuse made by a wrestling fan.  Seriously not sure if you're serious or not. 

+1
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: brycemus on November 16, 2011, 02:25:58 PM
if you think that gaining ten pounds after a weigh-in is some great advantage then you can't have ever wrestled!  there is no more miserable feeling than being fat and bloated and having to wrestle a big match.  it just sucks. 
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: ac1998 on November 16, 2011, 04:48:39 PM
125: #18 Nico Megaludis (PSU) vs. #2 Zachary Sanders (UM)
  Nico is going to be a really good college wrestler, Sanders already is a really good College wrestler.  Sanders gets close to a major in this one. Minn 3, PSU 0

133: Derek Reber (PSU) vs.#7 David Thorn (UM)
    I had high hopes for Reber, but after last week he may be over his head in the Big Ten.  Thorn by MD.  Minn 7, PSU 0

141: Sam Sherlock (PSU) vs. #10 Nick Dardanes (UM)
   I think this is a true tossup.  Dardanes had a nice redshirt year but the high ranking seems generous, Sherlock was just as highly acclaimed in HS until he had the knee injury.  Ill take Sherlock in a squeeker.  Minn 7, PSU 3

149:#1 Frank Molinaro (PSU) vs. #5 Dylan Ness (UM)
    Ditto my comment about Nico for Ness.   Ness had a nice year last year, but not nearly as nice as Molinaro (Tank, please pick neutral).  Molinaro gets a comfortable win, but no major.  Minn 7, PSU 6

157: #11 Dylan Alton (PSU vs. #9 Jake Deitchler (UM)
    This is the match I'm most interested in.  Alton was pretty tough last year as a redshirt, Deitchler to me seems like a wild card.  He has the talent to be a multiple time naitonal champ, but he has been off the mats for awhile so who knows how he'll do.  I'll take Alton with a close match that gets the crowd fired up.  Minn 7, PSU 9

165: #1 David Tayor vs. #8 Cody Yohn (UM)
   Yohn is good, Taylor is really good.  Taylor picks up his usual bonus points here.  BUt Yohn holds it to a major and avoids the tech.  Minn 7, PSU 13

174: #2 Edward Ruth (PSU) vs. #9 Logan Storley (UM)
   Hopefully Ruth learned his lesson last year about getting nonchalant with a big lead and not going for the bonus points.  I say this year he gets it and picks up a MD no matter who he faces for Minny.  Minn 7, PSU 17

184: #1 Quentin Wright (PSU) vs. #6 Kevin Steinhaus (UM)
   A match of two guys who really know each other.  Wright seemed to get better vs. Steinhaus each time the wrested, but this one will be close.  I'll take Q in a match that will be similar to the BIg Ten final.  Minn 7, PSU 20

197: #10 Morgan McIntosh (PSU) vs. #2 Sonny Yohn (UM)
  Put McIntosh in the Ness/Nico club.  He's going to be really good, but I have concerns about him at 197.  He seems short for the weight and may have trouble getting his offense going against the top guys (he had trouble last week with the kid from Bloom)..  Yohn quiets the PSU crowd with a major.  MInn 11, PSU 20

285: #4 Cameron Wade (PSU) vs. #3 Anthony Nelson (UM)
  I hear Wade is bigger ths year, whcih to me means he'll be even slower and less nimble on his feet.  Nelson manages to take Wade down and smartly avoids wrestling on the mat to pick up the decision.  MInn 14, PSU 20.

I can see this ending in a tie agian.  Would noy shock me for the 157 match to go the other way and have it end 17-17, but I'll go with my pick of:

PSU 20, Minn 14
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: brycemus on November 16, 2011, 07:28:57 PM
That is a bold prediction...basically saying it will be an ass whooping
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: pipewrench on November 16, 2011, 07:41:13 PM
I wouldn't call 20-14 an ass whooping.  I think, however that it will be much closer.  Possibly going.g the other way.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: Spoons on November 16, 2011, 09:14:38 PM
I got it 19-14 Minnesota :)

125: Sanders over Nico by Dec. could easily be a major or worse for psu but I'll stick with a dec. at this time 3-0 Minni.
133: Thorn over Reber by M.Dec. could easily be more here also. 7-0 Minni
141: Dardanes over Sherlock(who should not be wrestling but that's just a opinion)  by Dec. 10-0 Minni
149: I REALLY expect big things from Ness but I think Molinaro wins a snoozefest by 1. 10-3 Minni
157: Really looking foward to this matchup due to wanting to see both and if they are for real so to speak. But I think Deitchler wins ove Alton in a CLOSE one. 13-3 Minni
165: Taylor by Tech over Yohn might be a fall here also but either way it won't be enough to win the dual. 13-8 Minni.
174: Ruth over Storely(if he wrestles) by Dec. 13-11 Minni. If its not Storely this could be huge for psu as Ruth could pin the other option the Rodents have at 174.
184: Wright wins a CLOSE CLOSE match over Steinhaus giving psu their first lead. 14-13 psu
197: Yohn with a Dec. over McIntosh. I know a lot of people are high on McIntosh but its a big match for a True Freshmen and Minni could easily get bonus pts here. 16-14 Minni takes the lead back.
hwt: Nelson over Wade by Dec. to seal the dual. 19-14.

Bael will go try to find a way to get Long back on the team because of his win at all costs theory but it won't happen this year I said once I will say it again I am more worried about Minnesota than psu this year.!!!!
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: Drooke on November 16, 2011, 09:50:45 PM
Ness appears relaxed...this is a snapshot into Dylan's world from his latest twitter....

Dness10 Dylan Ness
Just got a smoothie at Jamba, and she gave me a free muffin

haha
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: KR1963 on November 17, 2011, 12:16:37 AM
No link Drooke
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: ronsnap on November 17, 2011, 02:41:40 AM
You ain't seen nothing til your down on a muffin.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: KR1963 on November 17, 2011, 05:36:40 AM
You ain't seen nothing til your down on a muffin.
http://www.google.com/search?q=muffin+top&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1096&bih=818&sei=aePETtyaPJCItweqzOSwCg
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: The Du on November 17, 2011, 07:20:41 AM
Sherlock, what's the story?

Save your problems for another day so you can win right away. 

That seems to be the philosophy in State College.  Worked out well for Long, and the football team.

uh, thats ridiculous.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: FlyingTiger on November 17, 2011, 08:06:44 AM
Funny how Ronsnap pretends Iowa's wrestlers haven't had any legal issues. Last time I checked, both teams will have two guys in the lineup that have gotten themselves in hot water. Of course, when this is brought up, the rationalizations start flying.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: Viratas on November 17, 2011, 08:17:41 AM
I think the gophers are currently "pending charges" free :)
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: fuhr on November 17, 2011, 08:50:08 AM
Funny how Ronsnap pretends Iowa's wrestlers haven't had any legal issues. Last time I checked, both teams will have two guys in the lineup that have gotten themselves in hot water. Of course, when this is brought up, the rationalizations start flying.

Which is why I asked.  I know Iowa's guy had to sit after their indiscretions.  What happened with Sherlock?  Were charges dropped?
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: ronsnap on November 17, 2011, 09:56:39 AM
The difference is that PSU has a history of covering up problems or looking the other way.  Examples are Long and Sandusky. (tongue in cheek...sort of)

We have not heard anything about Sherlock and Kr says that Ruth has been disciplined though there are no charges, but won't say what it was.  You would think that transperency would be an automatic at Penn State these days. 
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: ronsnap on November 17, 2011, 09:57:54 AM
Sherlock, what's the story?

Save your problems for another day so you can win right away. 

That seems to be the philosophy in State College.  Worked out well for Long, and the football team.

uh, thats ridiculous.

Is it really?
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: The Du on November 17, 2011, 10:59:56 AM
yes, it is.

i've think you're a good rational poster. but don't be 'one of those'.

at least not in-season.

every program has had their issues. and kids are going to inevitably screw up. liowa and psu had some underages (lets be honest, college kids are gonna drink. the only difference is getting caught). osu had half their team in a bar and stole an i.d., the gophers run real estate scams  :).......blah blah blah

wrestling's here. who's on the mat is on the mat.

outside of long, all the 'incidents' were very minor. so cael didn't (or doesn't) discipline the way your think he should. thats his prerogative.

a 30 page thread slinging mud between iowa and psu fans is not something i look forward to, particularly at this time of year.

however, you're certainly free to post what you want. just sayin'.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: Viratas on November 17, 2011, 11:07:49 AM
Ortiz will be at 174 for MN
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: fuhr on November 17, 2011, 11:13:34 AM
I agree Willie, and I started it and will back off.  Wasn't intent to sling mud but ask the question b/c it surprised me some. 
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: Rockhard on November 17, 2011, 11:17:42 AM
Ortiz will be at 174 for MN

I hope he has success. For too many years, Alec has cut tons of weight and IMO, it has hurt him. He has always wrestled better when he wasn't cutting a ton of weight. When I saw him at 157, I knew he'd struggle.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: ronsnap on November 17, 2011, 11:20:20 AM
I tried to post this but it didnt work for some reason. 

I don't want a thirty page thread like that either.  However, in light of what is happening there today and that they let Long onto the team knowing about his issues, I don't think it was "ridicuous" to state that there is a culture of looking the other way to win today at Penn St.

Thats all I'll say.  I don't think it is so ridiculous to have that opinion.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: ronsnap on November 17, 2011, 11:22:36 AM
125 Sanders MD Megaludis 4-0 MN
133 Thorn dec Reber 7-0 MN
141 Dardanes dec Sherlock 10-0 MN
149 Molinaro dec Ness 10-3 MN
157 Alton dec Deitchler 10-6 MN
165 Taylor TF Yohn 10-11 PSU
174 Ruth dec Ortiz 10-14 PSU
184 Wright dec Steinhaus 10-17 PSU
197 Yohn dec McIntosh 13-17 PSU
285 Nelson dec Wade 16-17 PSU


149, 157, 184, 197 and 285 could all go the other direction. Going to be a good dual.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: The Du on November 17, 2011, 12:21:52 PM
sorry if i sounded like a pr!ck.

don't want to be 'one of those' either, haha.

im just glad wrestling is here.

fuhr, and snap, my apologies.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: ronsnap on November 17, 2011, 12:46:26 PM
None needed and I too am very excited that the season is here.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: jammen on November 17, 2011, 02:21:24 PM
the gophers run real estate scams  :)....

Is that smiley face supposed to cover up the fact that you don't know what you're talking about!
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: jammen on November 17, 2011, 02:23:53 PM
Ortiz will be at 174 for MN

V, any idea what happened to Young?
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: Viratas on November 17, 2011, 02:28:46 PM
Ortiz will be at 174 for MN

V, any idea what happened to Young?

Yes but I am not at liberty to say.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: KR1963 on November 17, 2011, 03:48:28 PM
Funny how Ronsnap pretends Iowa's wrestlers haven't had any legal issues. Last time I checked, both teams will have two guys in the lineup that have gotten themselves in hot water. Of course, when this is brought up, the rationalizations start flying.

Which is why I asked.  I know Iowa's guy had to sit after their indiscretions.  What happened with Sherlock?  Were charges dropped?
The charges were from the summer of 2010 not 2011, so it happened during his RS year. He was put into a program for 1st time offenders & had to pay off the fine. End of story.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: fuhr on November 17, 2011, 03:53:49 PM
sorry if i sounded like a pr!ck.

don't want to be 'one of those' either, haha.

im just glad wrestling is here.

fuhr, and snap, my apologies.

Not a prick at all Du.  I agree with everything you said about college kids drinking but I also think (just my opinion) that if coaches did something more after the first time there wouldn't be second and third times that seem to escalate. 
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: KR1963 on November 17, 2011, 03:58:27 PM
The difference is that PSU has a history of covering up problems or looking the other way.  Examples are Long and Sandusky. (tongue in cheek...sort of)

We have not heard anything about Sherlock and Kr says that Ruth has been disciplined though there are no charges, but won't say what it was.  You would think that transperency would be an automatic at Penn State these days.
At least you are consistent in always damning PSU for everything you can think of all the while giving Iowa a free pass.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: KR1963 on November 17, 2011, 04:08:47 PM
I tried to post this but it didnt work for some reason. 

I don't want a thirty page thread like that either.  However, in light of what is happening there today and that they let Long onto the team knowing about his issues, I don't think it was "ridiculous" to state that there is a culture of looking the other way to win today at Penn St.

Thats all I'll say.  I don't think it is so ridiculous to have that opinion.
If a "Long" like kid was showing up at Iowa, I am sure we would hear about what a big heart Brands * Iowa AD have for giving the kid a 2nd chance.

Cael has known the Long family for quite awhile. He KNEW what he was getting & he gave him a 2nd chance. He was also put a tight leash. Long screwed up & just like that he was gone. Nothing ridiculous about that.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: AFHawk86 on November 17, 2011, 04:27:15 PM
If a "Long" like kid was showing up at Iowa, I am sure we would hear about what a big heart Brands * Iowa AD have for giving the kid a 2nd chance.

Cael has known the Long family for quite awhile. He KNEW what he was getting & he gave him a 2nd chance. He was also put a tight leash. Long screwed up & just like that he was gone. Nothing ridiculous about that.
KR - I disagree.  Long was given multiple chances at ISU; this was more than a second chance.  And it wasn't just screwing up, it was his attitude as well.  I'm all for second chances, I've been the recipient of this many times.  But sometimes you have to pay the consequences in order to learn a lesson.  I was ok with Iowa accepting Byers because his previous indiscretion was a single isolated issue.  I'm also ok with a young man like Marion making amends and earning his way back on the team.  Long was unwilling to change his behavior and was given many opportunities to do so.

Also, if you look at the young men that Brands recruited in this class you'll notice there are quite a few exeptional students in that bunch.  It goes to show that Brands is not willing to take great wrestlers that he doesn't think can do well in the classroom and "live the life" so to speak.

OBTW, it's ok to admit your coach made a mistake.  You don't have to defend every action/decision just because it's your team.  If it makes you feel better, I think Coach Brands made the wrong decision about Nat'l Duals last year.  I think he made the decision he felt was best for his team and I still respect him, but I disagree with his decision.  Whether or not you're willing to admit it, Coach Sanderson is perceived by many as being willing to sacrifice his standards in order to win.  It appears that's what happened last year and I learned many years ago that 'perception equals fact'.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: ronsnap on November 17, 2011, 04:34:17 PM
Kr ALWAYS brings it back up after I've handcuffed myself and said I was done talking about it in this thread.  Why do I do that?!
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: chipmogul on November 17, 2011, 04:40:41 PM
Snap - weren't the Hawks giddy to take Cayle Byers aboard a year after seeing all the flack PSU took for taking in Long?

I'll answer it...YES.  Now Okie State has that to deal with but hopefully it works out.

As far as Sherlock is concerned, he along with one other teammate aren't allowed any more "strikes" or they're off the team.  This includes things like skipping practices.  Imagine being a redshirt freshman on that short of a leash.  To me, that's certainly a strong disciplinary statement in itself seeing the cost of tuition these days.

Honestly, the entire wrestling community loses out when a top talent can't keep his nose clean.  Marion has had a lot of strikes against him and I hope he's learned from his mistakes but I wouldn't trade the amazing match I saw for an Andrew Alton win (or PSU win possibly) against the next Iowa 141 in line that day in Rec Hall.



As far as the topic is concerned, I'm hoping for a blowout Sunday and here are my picks...

125 - I'm a HUGE Nico fan and have been for years but Sanders is tough and Nico needs to put on a couple pounds so sadly I'll take Sanders.

133 - Reber isn't a true 133 (heck Martelotti was weighing 129-131 in August) so we gotta take our lumps here too.

141 - I'm guessing this will be one of the best matches of the day.  I'm hoping for a blowout so I'll take my homer pick with improved and now focused Sherlock.

149 - I'm not a fan of the way the Gorilla Hulk wins but he's tough and worked hard over the summer.  In fact, he came close to a power lifting world record at the first event he's ever entered over the summer.  Frank on bottom worries me and that goes back prior to the Dake match.  Frank by a couple here.

157 - Dylan all the way.  A coming out party for the "other" Alton.

165 - DT easily.  I yawn watching the Yohns.

174 - Ruth.  Not sure how this will go but time heals all wounds.

184 - Q.  Not sure that I've ever seen Q happier.

197 - Ohhhh baby, hello world...signed, Morgan McIntosh

285 - Nelson all the way.  I'm not high on Cam's conditioning right now.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: jammen on November 17, 2011, 04:45:42 PM
Ortiz will be at 174 for MN

V, any idea what happened to Young?

Yes but I am not at liberty to say.

It seems odd and a real shame that the rs Senior isn't able to wrestle.  Young isn't a world beater, but he's tough enough to hold his own.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: The Du on November 17, 2011, 04:57:30 PM
the gophers run real estate scams  :)....

Is that smiley face supposed to cover up the fact that you don't know what you're talking about!

no. it was supposed to signify that i was kidding, and that im just ribbing you gopher fans.

but if you want to think i don't know what im talking about, so be it.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: ronsnap on November 17, 2011, 05:15:54 PM
I thought J was the only one that ran the real estate scam.  All the gophers are in on it?;)
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: jammen on November 17, 2011, 09:49:27 PM
the gophers run real estate scams  :)....

Is that smiley face supposed to cover up the fact that you don't know what you're talking about!

no. it was supposed to signify that i was kidding, and that im just ribbing you gopher fans.

but if you want to think i don't know what im talking about, so be it.

I can take a little ribbing :)
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: KR1963 on November 18, 2011, 05:00:51 AM
If a "Long" like kid was showing up at Iowa, I am sure we would hear about what a big heart Brands * Iowa AD have for giving the kid a 2nd chance.

Cael has known the Long family for quite awhile. He KNEW what he was getting & he gave him a 2nd chance. He was also put a tight leash. Long screwed up & just like that he was gone. Nothing ridiculous about that.
KR - I disagree.  Long was given multiple chances at ISU; this was more than a second chance.  And it wasn't just screwing up, it was his attitude as well.  I'm all for second chances, I've been the recipient of this many times.  But sometimes you have to pay the consequences in order to learn a lesson.  I was ok with Iowa accepting Byers because his previous indiscretion was a single isolated issue.  I'm also ok with a young man like Marion making amends and earning his way back on the team.  Long was unwilling to change his behavior and was given many opportunities to do so.

Also, if you look at the young men that Brands recruited in this class you'll notice there are quite a few exeptional students in that bunch.  It goes to show that Brands is not willing to take great wrestlers that he doesn't think can do well in the classroom and "live the life" so to speak.

OBTW, it's ok to admit your coach made a mistake.  You don't have to defend every action/decision just because it's your team.  If it makes you feel better, I think Coach Brands made the wrong decision about Nat'l Duals last year.  I think he made the decision he felt was best for his team and I still respect him, but I disagree with his decision.  Whether or not you're willing to admit it, Coach Sanderson is perceived by many as being willing to sacrifice his standards in order to win.  It appears that's what happened last year and I learned many years ago that 'perception equals fact'.
AFHAWK
I really dont care about what Iowa does or does not do. Really. I only bring it up to certain POSTERS with the attitude of attacking other programs anytime something looks improper all the while justifying their own schools actions. You will not ever read or see a post by me on any board ripping any Iowa program member or any school for that matter. Not my style. I just point out the people who are think that they are so above it all. And so the expected response of BUT I AM ABOVE IT ALL is not a surprise.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: ronsnap on November 18, 2011, 09:23:52 AM
The difference is that PSU has a history of covering up problems or looking the other way.  Examples are Long and Sandusky. (tongue in cheek...sort of)

We have not heard anything about Sherlock and Kr says that Ruth has been disciplined though there are no charges, but won't say what it was.  You would think that transperency would be an automatic at Penn State these days.
At least you are consistent in always damning PSU for everything you can think of all the while giving Iowa a free pass.

What have I given Iowa a free pass on?
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: Viratas on November 18, 2011, 09:39:32 AM
Can we just start an PSU vs IA thread.

Kind of bummed you all hijacked this one
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: jammen on November 18, 2011, 09:47:11 AM
Glad to see that Intermat got one thing right:

Weight-by-Weight Predictions:
125: No. 2 Zach Sanders (Minnesota) maj. dec. No. 18 Nico Megaludis (Penn State) :P
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: ronsnap on November 18, 2011, 10:31:19 AM
Can we just start an PSU vs IA thread.

Kind of bummed you all hijacked this one

Sorry V.  Was neve the intent, just where the conversation went. 
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: Spoons on November 19, 2011, 05:54:59 AM
Can I change some of my predictions after Minnesota's debacule last night I would not be suprised to see them win only 3 matches. They looked pretty bad as a whole last night. ::)
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: Viratas on November 19, 2011, 07:02:03 AM
Spoons I feel ya.

Sunday may not be what I predicted either, but who knows.
Title: Re: Penn State vs Minnesota (Nov 20th) Predictions
Post by: KR1963 on November 19, 2011, 11:12:21 AM

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