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Title: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: tim73135 on December 26, 2011, 07:48:06 PM
Here are the potential line-ups and match-ups:

125- #3 Matt McDonough (Iowa) vs #10 Jon Morrison (OSU)
133- #2 Tony Ramos (Iowa) vs #1 Jordan Oliver (OSU)
141- #1 Montell Marion (Iowa) vs #13 Josh Kindig (OSU)
149- Mark Ballewg (Iowa) vs #2 Jamal Parks (OSU)
157- #2 Derek St. John (Iowa) vs #18 Albert White (OSU)
165- #14 Mike Evans (Iowa) vs #19 Dallas Bailey (OSU)
174- #8 Ethen Lofthouse (Iowa) vs Chris McNeil (OSU)
184- Vinnie Wagner (Iowa) vs #2 Chris Perry (OSU)
197- #8 Grant Gambrall/Tomas Lira (Iowa) vs #5 Cayle Byers (OSU)
285- #9 Bobby Telford (Iowa) vs #2 Alan Gelogaev (OSU)

I just read the small story on flo with the same title as this post and i thought it might be interesting to put some thought into this upcoming matchup as well as hear the views of other knowledgeable, intelligent fans. The idiots weed themselves out/ show their lack of objectivity and bias either way by their inability to admit fault or except the opinion of others. So, that being said, here we go.

125 - obviously Iowa is favored here, the only question is how badly can McDonough beat Morrison. I just thought, and I wonder if others suffer the same way, the last time I saw McDonough,he was getting schooled by Robles. I only bring that up because sometimes, when the last time we see someone wrestle, we base future performance on most recent results. I could see how someone might remember that match and say that Morrison could pull of an upset. I guess he could, but only if McDonough doesn't show up. Morrison, in my opinion, is good enough to keep a score close with almost anyone on a good night. I dont think he is necessarily a top 10 guy on a consistent basis. He needs to have a good night and at the very least, wrestle good enough to avoid giving up bonus points.

133 - I said in a earlier post that people have used Oliver’s close match at all stars as a basis for an opinion that the other guys are close to him. I think this match will be a real eye opener to find out how good Ramos is and how big the gap is, if any, between Oliver and everyone else. If I were on the Iowa staff, I would recommend that Ramos keep a frantic pace, stay in good position, make Oliver make a mistake and attack out of position. I have a feeling what is going to happen is Oliver is going to take him down a few times and pin him. A pin is huge for osu here, any bonus points for that matter.

141 - I said in another topic I thought Kindig was a good, tough wrestler in a weight class full of really good, really tough wrestlers. When I think about how Maple destroyed Kindig, then think, "Marion is better than Maple", I feel like Osu is in real damager of giving up big bonus here. Osu's most realistic shot here is either Marion doesn’t wrestle or gets hurt.

149 - parks should get bonus points here, but what is more likely to happen is he either wins a close one or losses a close one.

157 - I haven't seen Iowa wrestle here, but based on what ive seen of white, I give Iowa the advantage. I do think that white wrestles to his level of competition, so if he won a close one it would be a pleasant surprise.

165 - flip a coin...I haven’t seen Iowa here, so this isn't based on fact, only fear as someone who hates this type of match, but I just hope this isn’t two guys trying not to lose.

174 - A good test for OSU here, lofthouse is favored to me, although I couldn’t say by how much. I like McNeil, he’s a good kid, good student, never gets in trouble, etc. If he were to win here it would be huge based on the fact that he hasn’t presented as a top 10 wrestler.

184 - If Perry continues to improve as much as he already has this season, OSU could score bonus points here. I think Iowa needs a big match to avoid bonus.

197 - I think Byers is top 5 in the country, and he could win the NCAA tournament this year. I think Iowa is in danger of giving up bonus here.

Hwt - Z has wrestled really well so far. I know he just lost to Hanke, and Im sorry if its going to come across as me making excuses for the loss, because in a way, it is. He didn’t look very good offensively, Hanke neutralized his upper body stuff and he had several failed/ near miss attacks. My hang up on the loss is the stall calls despite the fact that both guys seemed to wrestle the same way the entire match. I dont understand the two calls in the last minute to tie the score. This all being said, z destroyed nelson and cooper, who are both ranked higher than Telford. I dont think z will get a pin, but bonus points would not surprise me.

I see this dual split 5 matches to 5, bonus and upsets will decide this one. I think OSU has more potential for bonus in their 5 matches than Iowa has in theirs. I’m picking OSU.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Cougar1 on December 26, 2011, 09:04:07 PM
Nice read. Thanks. Is Marion a definite go or no go yet?
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: AFHawk86 on December 26, 2011, 10:07:43 PM
Marion's status hasn't changed per the AD Barta.  Unfortunately St. John probably won't participate due to the injury sustained in the UNI dual.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: leglace on December 27, 2011, 01:14:51 AM
If St John is out, I say Ok St wins for sure. I hope he is ready by then.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Vak Brannigan on December 27, 2011, 02:40:15 AM
If St John is out, I say Ok St wins for sure. I hope he is ready by then.

I don't think Albert WHite is a lock over Nick Moore (who would presumably start there) or even Mike Kelly.

I'm just not sold on Albert White.  Sorry Illinois HS wrestling fans.  The kids best career win as far as I can tell is over David Bonin.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: OkieSpladle on December 27, 2011, 05:39:33 AM
125 - Morrison has not shown that he is back to the level he acheived last year before the injury.  However, because of the early loss to Rupp, he hasn't gotten a lot of chances to show improvement.  It probably doesn't matter here as avoiding bonus is about all Cowboy fans can hope for.  I say McD gets 4.  4-0 Iowa

133 - It will be interesting to see what gameplan Ramos tries.  The one that makes the most sense, push the pace and test Oliver's conditioning, is also the one most likely to give up bonus points.  Of course, I still expect that to be the idea as it seems like his best chance to win.  I can't wait for this match.  I see a lot of points, the only question is if they go up on both sides or if Oliver can set himself apart.  The fall is always a possibility, but for now I'm going with a shoot-out victory for Oliver by 3 or 4 points.  If he doesn't get bonus its bad for OSU.  4-3 Iowa

141 - I think tim has it right.  Kindig is a good wrestler that just isn't as good as guys like Maple, Marion, etc.  I do think Kindig is having weight issues which he better have sorted out by this match.  I've got Marion by major.  8-3 Iowa

149 - He won't get bonus, but he won't lose either.  Parks by decision.  8-6 Iowa

157 - DSJ would win and probably get a major here, but with him out it takes bonus off the table and provides Albert with a chance to swing the dual.  I've been dissapointed with White this year, but he is talented and I expect him to beat Moore or Kelly.  I don't know enough about Moore or Kelly to know if they are really good on top, but thats their best chance to win here.  I'll say Albert by decision in a huge, key match.  9-8 OSU.

165 - Bailey showed signs of life in Reno, but I can't expect him to beat anyone good right now.  Evans by dec.  11-9 Iowa.

174 - Its all been said about McNeil.  Lofthouse by decision and it could be more.  14-9 Iowa

184 - Perry's improvement this season has been mostly in controlling matches, being impossible to score on and creating points off of small mistakes.  Unless Wagner gets overly aggressive, I don't see bonus here.  14-12 Iowa

197 - This is a match that might be different in my eyes after Midlands, but I think Byers is good for a solid win.  I don't know what to expect if Rosholt is given the nod.  15-14 OSU.

HWT - Another match that could change depending on how Telford does at Midlands.  I'm picking Z against anyone despite the loss at Reno, but Telford has a chance this week to make a name for himself.  18-14 OSU

 OSU needs Oliver or Z to find a fall because otherwise they have no margin for error.  Without DSJ in the line-up I see the Cowboys as a favorite, but Iowa certainly has chances to swing it their way. 
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: jammen on December 27, 2011, 09:45:31 AM
I say JO's pin streak is ended, but he still gets 6 team pts as Tyler Clark is disq for stalling.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: OkieSpladle on December 27, 2011, 09:48:55 AM
I say JO's pin streak is ended, but he still gets 6 team pts as Tyler Clark is disq for stalling.

No DQs for stalling anymore.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Cougar1 on December 27, 2011, 12:19:45 PM
I say JO's pin streak is ended, but he still gets 6 team pts as Tyler Clark is disq for stalling.

No DQs for stalling anymore.

What's the new rule Okie?
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: ronsnap on December 27, 2011, 12:37:15 PM
I say JO's pin streak is ended, but he still gets 6 team pts as Tyler Clark is disq for stalling.

Do you even watch wrestling?
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: OkieSpladle on December 27, 2011, 12:50:34 PM
I say JO's pin streak is ended, but he still gets 6 team pts as Tyler Clark is disq for stalling.

No DQs for stalling anymore.

What's the new rule Okie?

You can get dinged for a point as many times as the ref can raise the fist.  I can't wait for the first guy who gets teched without getting scored on.  It could happen in CHA.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: brycemus on December 27, 2011, 12:52:46 PM
I say JO's pin streak is ended, but he still gets 6 team pts as Tyler Clark is disq for stalling.

Do you even watch wrestling?
of course he does, he never misses Monday Night Raw on USA
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Cougar1 on December 27, 2011, 01:13:29 PM
I say JO's pin streak is ended, but he still gets 6 team pts as Tyler Clark is disq for stalling.

No DQs for stalling anymore.

What's the new rule Okie?

You can get dinged for a point as many times as the ref can raise the fist.  I can't wait for the first guy who gets teched without getting scored on.  It could happen in CHA.

Thanks!
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: jammen on December 27, 2011, 03:41:08 PM
If Clark wins Midlands do they still start Ramos?  Or if you want to save team points isn't Clark  the go to guy?
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: OkieSpladle on December 27, 2011, 03:43:22 PM
If Clark wins Midlands do they still start Ramos?  Or if you want to save team points isn't Clark  the go to guy?

If Clark wins Midlands maybe its an issue, but if Ramos wins and is #2 you can't sit him to save team points.  You have to give him a shot at #1.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: n9531l on December 27, 2011, 03:56:22 PM
I've been admiring fuhr's clever sig line this month, but I have a feeling it's about to change.  I wonder if he is up for another bet.

fuhr, if you want Iowa, I'll give you two points even though they are #1.  I haven't decided on a new sig for you, but I'll try to make it something you can be proud to display.  If you want the new sig duration to be a week instead of a month, I'm OK with that.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: SetonHallPirate on December 27, 2011, 03:56:50 PM
Shameless plug: I will be there...

Also, recently announced is the Delta Air Lines Flyaway weekend January 20-22, which will include Iowa's duals at Ohio State and Penn State, and perhaps another dual to be announced on Saturday.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: AFHawk86 on December 27, 2011, 03:58:37 PM
If Clark wins Midlands do they still start Ramos?  Or if you want to save team points isn't Clark  the go to guy?

If Clark wins Midlands maybe its an issue, but if Ramos wins and is #2 you can't sit him to save team points.  You have to give him a shot at #1.
Barring injury, this is Clark's last shot at winning the spot.  I'm sure he's motivated to give it his all.  Would be nice to see them in the finals, along with Marion and Ballweg at 141.  Heck, while I'm dreaming, what about Telford and Rasing in the finals at Hwt!
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: fuhr on December 27, 2011, 04:01:12 PM
I've been admiring fuhr's clever sig line this month, but I have a feeling it's about to change.  I wonder if he is up for another bet.

fuhr, if you want Iowa, I'll give you two points even though they are #1.  I haven't decided on a new sig for you, but I'll try to make it something you can be proud to display.  If you want the new sig duration to be a week instead of a month, I'm OK with that.


I will be up for another sig bet, but I think we should wait on points given until closer to the event.  DSJ in or out of the lineup will make a difference I believe.  Dumb on my part, I should take the 2 points at home and be happy but want it to be fair when the event rolls around. 
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: n9531l on December 27, 2011, 04:20:52 PM
I will be up for another sig bet, but I think we should wait on points given until closer to the event.  DSJ in or out of the lineup will make a difference I believe.  Dumb on my part, I should take the 2 points at home and be happy but want it to be fair when the event rolls around.

That sounds right to me.  I see you are a man of honor.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Kingk0ng on December 27, 2011, 05:18:01 PM
Dumb on my part, I should take the 2 points at home and be happy but want it to be fair when the event rolls around.

Wait a minute....are you saying that the #1 ranked Hawkeyes are a two point dog? At CHA? Really?  :)
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: fuhr on December 27, 2011, 05:33:17 PM
Dumb on my part, I should take the 2 points at home and be happy but want it to be fair when the event rolls around.

Wait a minute....are you saying that the #1 ranked Hawkeyes are a two point dog? At CHA? Really?  :)


I didn't say that.  n9 said that.  I said, I shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth, take the points, and run.  But I'm not. 
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Spoons on December 27, 2011, 06:11:04 PM
Here are my thoughts and let me say this dual scares me to death. But I would rather have the hawks lose to oky state than psu.

125: Matt wins by dec. and Hawks take a 3-0.
133: Ramos..... can't do it Oliver wins by dec. 3-3
141: Marion wins by dec. and Hawks grab the lead back 6-3
149 Parks over Kelly and ties it back up at 6-6
157: Moore wins..... a dec. over Bailey close with a  last second takedown & gives the Hawks the lead 9-6.
174: Lofthouse wins a dec. and we win 2 in a row making it 12-6 Hawks. Momentum building....
184: Perry majors Wagner and we are in trouble.... 12-10 Hawks
197: Rosholt/Byers dec. Gambrall and the Hawks lose the lead. 13-12 Cowboys
Hwt: Just when it looks like the streak is over Telford wins over the Russian and flips..... oops he just wins the dual for us making it 15-13 Hawks and the roof is blown off Carver and the place goes nuts......
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Vak Brannigan on December 27, 2011, 08:38:35 PM
Here are my thoughts and let me say this dual scares me to death. But I would rather have the hawks lose to oky state than psu.

125: Matt wins by dec. and Hawks take a 3-0.
133: Ramos..... can't do it Oliver wins by dec. 3-3
141: Marion wins by dec. and Hawks grab the lead back 6-3
149 Parks over Kelly and ties it back up at 6-6
157: Moore wins..... a dec. over Bailey close with a  last second takedown & gives the Hawks the lead 9-6.
174: Lofthouse wins a dec. and we win 2 in a row making it 12-6 Hawks. Momentum building....
184: Perry majors Wagner and we are in trouble.... 12-10 Hawks
197: Rosholt/Byers dec. Gambrall and the Hawks lose the lead. 13-12 Cowboys
Hwt: Just when it looks like the streak is over Telford wins over the Russian and flips..... oops he just wins the dual for us making it 15-13 Hawks and the roof is blown off Carver and the place goes nuts......

You're just eliminating 165 from the weight classes?
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: brycemus on December 27, 2011, 09:16:37 PM
this dual will really come down to whether or not DSJ can go.  taking the Midlands off will help him, but a knee can be a very problematic injury
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Spoons on December 27, 2011, 09:21:17 PM
Oops my bad..... :-\ :-\

Give the Hawks 3 more pts.

Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Cruo on December 27, 2011, 11:36:49 PM
How far into Minnesota does IPTV still get picked up?  I hate family.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: fuhr on December 28, 2011, 08:26:56 AM
Rochester, Austin, Albert Lea all get IPTV.  Don't think Owatonna does but not 1005 sure on that. 
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: ronsnap on December 28, 2011, 10:36:51 AM
If Clark wins Midlands do they still start Ramos?  Or if you want to save team points isn't Clark  the go to guy?

This isnt last year where a freshman was trying to grab the spot from a Jr.  It was still up in the air last year.  I don't think it is anymore.  Ramos will always be the wrestler that will score more points in a tournament than Clark will.  Ramos is clearly the 133lber for Iowa and will be wrestling against Oliver in the dual.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: n9531l on January 04, 2012, 04:47:48 PM
I will be up for another sig bet, but I think we should wait on points given until closer to the event.  DSJ in or out of the lineup will make a difference I believe.  Dumb on my part, I should take the 2 points at home and be happy but want it to be fair when the event rolls around.

Fuhr, when I offered two points I thought I had heard DSJ was definitely out, but that may not be right.  If he's out, I'll stick with my two point offer.  If he's in, you should give me three points.  When are we likely to know if he's in or out?

If I win, your new sig will be:

"It's hard for me to express how disappointed I am that nobody has had the gumption to accept n9531l's chess endgame challenge." - fuhr

Do you like a one week or one month sig period?
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: n9531l on January 07, 2012, 12:20:00 PM
I will be up for another sig bet, but I think we should wait on points given until closer to the event.  DSJ in or out of the lineup will make a difference I believe.  Dumb on my part, I should take the 2 points at home and be happy but want it to be fair when the event rolls around.

Fuhr, when I offered two points I thought I had heard DSJ was definitely out, but that may not be right.  If he's out, I'll stick with my two point offer.  If he's in, you should give me three points.  When are we likely to know if he's in or out?

If I win, your new sig will be:

"It's hard for me to express how disappointed I am that nobody has had the gumption to accept n9531l's chess endgame challenge." - fuhr

Do you like a one week or one month sig period?

Fuhr, you wanted to wait until closer to the event to agree on a sig bet.  Seems like it's about time to do it.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: fuhr on January 07, 2012, 12:51:20 PM
I don't think we'll know until we see him announced.  From what I hear he won't wrestle.  I'll take 2 points no DSJ, I'll give 2 points with DSJ. 
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: n9531l on January 07, 2012, 02:18:04 PM
Well, I wanted 3 points with DSJ, but I'll settle for 2 if you promise my new sig won't be too ugly.  A week or a month?
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: brycemus on January 07, 2012, 02:48:15 PM
I just talked to former Iowa Lakes CC, Jamestown, and NSU coach McCloud and we both agree that the the lack of DSJ is pretty damaging to the chances of the Hawks.  It becomes HUGE that neither Ramos nor Telford give up and bonus.

if Telford can get through the first and does NOT choose down on Z he has a shot.
Ramos just has to stay in control of his offense, he starts going nuts and Oliver will take him down to his back and stick him.  I expect Oliver to be up 5-6 after the first and from there it could go one of two ways.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Intensity guru on January 07, 2012, 07:27:00 PM
Renewed my BTN subscription to watch this dual and CANNOT WATCH IT do to technical error?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I'm pissed
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: YakRider on January 07, 2012, 07:31:16 PM
guru    i think but not positive they are showing it on iowa public tv website.   i'm checking it out when available.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: leglace on January 07, 2012, 07:55:05 PM
Renewed my BTN subscription to watch this dual and CANNOT WATCH IT do to technical error?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I'm pissed

Tell me you didn't pay the annual cost that is such BS.

I feel like we have made zero headway in wrestling coverage over the past 10 years.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Drooke on January 07, 2012, 08:13:38 PM
Fuhr is live and Z is dominating... http://news.theopenmat.com/2012/01/tom-live-iowa-vs-oklahoma-state/
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Intensity guru on January 07, 2012, 08:59:12 PM
Monthly subscription once big ten season starts. Finally went through. Watching dual now.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Drooke on January 07, 2012, 09:03:31 PM
http://yfrog.com/2m7vjz
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Kingk0ng on January 07, 2012, 10:35:32 PM
17-16 Drooke  ;)
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Drooke on January 07, 2012, 10:41:55 PM
Woot! I'm with ya KK!
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Intensity guru on January 07, 2012, 11:12:52 PM
Parks didn't even try to get the major... Is he a selfish guy or was he just gassed?
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Drooke on January 07, 2012, 11:14:03 PM
He knew that winning by criteria would sting just a bit more.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: pipewrench on January 07, 2012, 11:22:09 PM
The bigger story is that Maple could have beaten everyone in Carver tonight. 
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Vak Brannigan on January 08, 2012, 01:33:51 AM
The bigger story is that Maple could have beaten everyone in Carver tonight.

Too bad he was busy ending the Israeli-Pakistani conflict and winning Dancing WIth The Stars.  Only so much time in the weekend.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: fuhr on January 08, 2012, 08:06:00 AM
The most impressive part was when Maple came out of the stands and challenged Mocco and Steve took off out of Carver like he'd seen a ghost. 
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Kingk0ng on January 08, 2012, 08:30:26 AM
Really impressive since Mr Maple also got the fall last night at Navy.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: ctc on January 08, 2012, 08:43:05 AM
I think another internet legend has been born.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Intensity guru on January 08, 2012, 09:01:18 AM
Maple made Gable drink his toilet water and promise to not talk about arm bars anymore.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: tim73135 on January 08, 2012, 09:22:36 AM
Thoughts on Iowa vs. ok state

Hwt – Z takes care of business again. The Iowa heavy didn’t really look in the match to much, it looked like osu was going to get 6 points, tedford did a good job fighting off his back.

125 – McDonough worked hard throughout the match to score points, Morrison worked the ties to try to slow him down, which didn’t work for very long. You could see the wear and tear on morrisons face, he looked like he had been in a boxing match. Morrison never really got in the match here.

133 – ramos wrestled a very smart match, oliver needed to wrestle more like Mcdonough to open ramos up and he didnt. Keys here were good position by ramos, oliver not finishing his shot, too many cautions by oliver to give up a point. Im not sure how much difference this match is going to make either way as both these guys are going to end up wrestling a host of other ranked guys and it wouldn’t surprise me if Ramos lost to someone else before nationals. Oliver has some things to work on as well, should be a good match at national duals with ohio state.

141 – marion dang near lost this one, kindig looked pretty good, got in deep on several shots, finished a few of them. Nothing against kindig, but Marions lack of energy did him a favor tonight. Not sure about those back at the end, judgement call my the ref I guess, but Marion pulled it out. Marion needs to shake himself out of the funk he is in, Kindig could beat him next time.

149 – Parks does what he should have, probley could have scored more takedowns, but a win from him is a win.

157 – White pulls one out here, he is at his best in defensive positions, seems hard to score on. Too bad for Iowa dsj wasn’t able to go, the match could have gone the other way.

165 – nothing flashy from evans, just a hard nose scrap to win. Pretty good scrambles in this one, the defining moment to me was when bailey stopped trying to score and started holding on for the stalemate and gave up two.

174 – another hard fought match, regardless of the crowd noise, both guys seemed to stay in the center. A bit of a scrap at the end, kids acting like kids…fault on both sides, good win for perry.

184 – two middle tier guys battling it out with a dual meet on the line, I think mcneil could have won if he had opened up more, the Iowa kid stayed aggressive, entertaining.

197 – Rosholt looked good, gambrel looked sluggish.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: leglace on January 08, 2012, 10:28:45 AM
Just wondering how we think DSJ would have handled White. White seems very good defensively, and able to slow the match down. Would DSJ been able to score bonus on White. I knoe DSJ is very good offensively, especially on top.

Reason I ask, is that I do not want to hear how Iowa would have won if DSJ was healthy. The swing match  was Oliver losing. DSJ scores bonus , Iowa wins, if not it goes to criteria. I am sure DSJ  adds more points than Oliver for criteria. Anyhow, this dual can occurr 5x and have a different winner on any day with or without DSJ.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: wrestej on January 08, 2012, 10:47:26 AM
Got to say I didn't see Ramos beating Oliver, heck, I didn't think it would be close.   
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Cruo on January 08, 2012, 11:06:58 AM
DSJ wouldn't have needed to score bonus on White last night.  If he beats him even by one point then it is a six point swing in the Hawks direction.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Cougar1 on January 08, 2012, 11:40:23 AM
Thanks for the recap Tim. I missed this one and that was a good read!
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: fuhr on January 08, 2012, 11:47:51 AM
Really impressive since Mr Maple also got the fall last night at Navy.


He's just that good.


I was probably over-reactionary blocking the Mr. Maple pimp in the chat last night but the dude was typing novels about how good Maple was and bragging about how he'd post whatever he wanted to.... had to show him different.  So apologies to whoever that was. 



Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Kingk0ng on January 08, 2012, 11:51:54 AM
Nah you did the right thing. What sucks is that Maple seems like a really good kid, no attitude at all, and then morons like the one last night makes other people hate the wrestler for no other reason...
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: fuhr on January 08, 2012, 12:01:14 PM
Agree Kong.  I still think metcalf would have been beloved by all had it not been for fans drooling about Metcalf on boards. 
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: brycemus on January 08, 2012, 01:06:02 PM
I said it before and guess who was right.

If DSJ wrestles Iowa wins.
He didn't and they lost. 
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: leglace on January 08, 2012, 01:29:12 PM
DSJ wouldn't have needed to score bonus on White last night.  If he beats him even by one point then it is a six point swing in the Hawks direction.

The dual is now past tense. I am talking about how they match up next time. I am going to have to assume Oliver wins. It would still be a tie unless DSJ gets bonus.

I also called it that OSU wins with DSJ out. However, I never considered Oliver getting beaten.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Cougar1 on January 08, 2012, 01:52:41 PM
Highlights. Full matches coming Monday. http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage/247677-Iowa-vs-Oklahoma-State/video/561982-Oklahoma-State-vs-Iowa-Highlights
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Cruo on January 08, 2012, 02:30:09 PM
You're right, Oliver probably wins next time and DSJ probably wouldn't get the major.  I also think Telford avoids getting thrown and avoids getting majored.  And like you already said, other matches could go either way as well.  Marion could major Kindig, Lofthouse could beat Perry, Wagner could lose...
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: n9531l on January 08, 2012, 03:30:52 PM
Fuhr, I'm ready to take my medicine as soon as you let me know what it is.  I resigned myself to losing the sig bet when JO lost, but at that point I also thought Iowa would win the meet.  So I'm happy the good guys managed to escape with a win.

You never answered my queries about whether the sig period would be a week or a month.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Serial Thriller on January 08, 2012, 06:40:25 PM
Did any of you see Barry Davis at the meet last night? He was up in section J with Ryan Morningstall. 
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Cruo on January 08, 2012, 11:02:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12DudlDfGJw

Iowa still undefeated over the last 30+ years in fan support.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Rockhard on January 09, 2012, 12:32:17 AM
Since okie state won, can we just give them the title already?
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: n9531l on January 09, 2012, 01:09:28 AM
JO is probably feeling bad, but he'll get over it and do well.  The loss is especially tough for him because he read in the TOM Forum a while back that in a time machine match, he would easily beat Yojiro Uetake, who went undefeated in his college career and gave up no offensive points in his senior year.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Cicero on January 09, 2012, 10:55:27 AM
JO is probably feeling bad, but he'll get over it and do well.  The loss is especially tough for him because he read in the TOM Forum a while back that in a time machine match, he would easily beat Yojiro Uetake, who went undefeated in his college career and gave up no offensive points in his senior year.
JO gave up no offensive points in his sophomore season.  There are worse things that could happen to him than a loss in January against an opponent he will have up to two more shots at this season.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: OkieSpladle on January 09, 2012, 11:06:03 AM
Its amazing that Oklahoma State can beat Iowa, but I'm having a hard time enjoying it.  Byers needs to make 184 and find a way to be an AA and some of the other guys need to find a way to fulfill their potential.  I'm not worried about JO because he has earned the benefit of the doubt after last season.  He will get it right. 

I am ecstatic for Z and Rosholt.  I should be ecstatic for the undefeated Parks and Perry, but its harder with them.

Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Jerry Callo on January 09, 2012, 11:49:12 AM
Not sure if anyone else asked this or not, but is that tie-breaker rule new or what? 
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: OkieSpladle on January 09, 2012, 11:52:36 AM
Not sure if anyone else asked this or not, but is that tie-breaker rule new or what?

It is new this year.  They've always had criteria for dual tournaments, but this year they decided to apply them to all duals.
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: ronsnap on January 09, 2012, 12:24:18 PM
Not sure if anyone else asked this or not, but is that tie-breaker rule new or what?

It is new this year.  They've always had criteria for dual tournaments, but this year they decided to apply them to all duals.

They wanted to change the rules in case DSJ was hurt and the Hawkeyes would therefore tie with OSU prolonging the streak.  Everyone in wrestling is against Iowa so they changed the rules to try and bring them down. 
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: brycemus on January 09, 2012, 12:27:27 PM
it is a g'damned conspiracy!
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: n9531l on January 10, 2012, 03:38:38 PM
Fuhr, I'm still waiting for you to collect on our sig bet.  When does the time start?  Is the clock running now, or do I have to wait for you to give me a new sig?
Title: Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
Post by: Dewy167 on January 10, 2012, 05:57:01 PM
it is a g'damned conspiracy!

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