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Wrestling => College => Topic started by: Viratas on January 22, 2009, 12:30:29 PM

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Post by: Viratas on January 22, 2009, 12:30:29 PM
Ok we all know I am a Gopher fan.. But I am very impressed with how Brands has brought back the IA style. Even though I hated the Hawks I have always respected their style of wrestling.

I want to say Congrats to all Hawks.
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Post by: Cougar1 on January 22, 2009, 08:07:27 PM
The true test will be after the transfers are gone.
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Post by: Viratas on January 22, 2009, 08:18:16 PM
I agree, but I have a feeling they will be tough... Maybe not dominate but tough
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Post by: Cougar1 on January 23, 2009, 06:12:25 AM
Yeah, they are going to be tough but he had a very different situation than Cael. Look at the current lineup. He brought in Slaton, Metcalf, LeClare and Borschel. How many points did those guys score at the NCAA's? ALOT. He inherited Falck, Tsirtis, Morningstar, Dennis, Keddy and Erickson. Plenty of talent there too. One thing he has excelled at is getting quality people in with the limited scholarship setup.

I think the playing field is going to be much more level in a couple years. It should be fun. Who knows? Even the Gophers may be competitive.  ;)  ;)  ;)
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Post by: brycemus on January 23, 2009, 08:43:26 AM
I can't believe you're going to bring in the "two-team" argument over here.  I thought it was finally killed over at themat.  Look at what Brands has done with the likes of Keddy (come on he is a different wrestler these last two years), Erekson (bumped him up into the hwt class where this season he is competitive and next season might be a contender), Tsirtsis and M* (are starting to WIN the close matches now) and Dennis (was able to keep him in the room even when a lot of people thought he should transfer and it's paying dividends now).  The guy is a dude.  And sure there is more parity going forward, but I think a lot of kids are going to look around and see the swagger back in Iowa City and want to be a part of it.
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Post by: Cougar1 on January 23, 2009, 09:51:21 AM
I'm a native Hawkeye and a life long fan but I'm also a realist. Yes, all those guys have developed and they should have been expected to. If Tom is as great as you believe he is he will stand the test of time and that will happen in a couple of years.

Don't be a typically oversensitive Hawkeye fan.  ;)
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Post by: Viratas on January 23, 2009, 12:11:41 PM
I think cougar has it right. Bry so far I am impressed, but time will tell.

Gable relied on getting a type of kid not always the "best" kid. That is one area him and J were very different... J goes for "the best on the board". I always thought gable went after the style he knew would flourish in their system. If brands gets back to that I think the will be very tough to beat.
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Post by: Cougar1 on January 23, 2009, 12:22:08 PM
Quote from: "Viratas"
I think cougar has it right. Bry so far I am impressed, but time will tell.

Gable relied on getting a type of kid not always the "best" kid. That is one area him and J were very different... J goes for "the best on the board". I always thought gable went after the style he knew would flourish in their system. If brands gets back to that I think the will be very tough to beat.
Gable had an uncommon ability to motiviate wrestlers into overachieving. If Tom has picked that up he won't have any problems.
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Post by: Viratas on January 23, 2009, 12:25:03 PM
I agree but he picked the right kids.. hardnosed, tough, and that had potential and had no peeked in HS.
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Post by: Rockhard on February 04, 2009, 09:43:38 PM
If had the ability to take one team who took 4th the year before and combine it with another teams varsity lineup, I would've won a title already as well.

2 combined teams=Championship.
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Post by: Cougar1 on February 05, 2009, 06:48:48 AM
It's looks like rock is going to be incurring the wrath of bry.  :angry:
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Post by: OkieSpladle on February 05, 2009, 03:32:29 PM
I don't really care about the 2 team thing, they have a 9.9 limit like everyone else.  

It really depends on how you define the Iowa style.  To me it is more than just moving forward and working on your opponent to wear them out.  Its about using that to score points and impose your will.  By that definition you can throw out about half the team from wrestling a true Iowa style.  That doesn't make guys like Tsirtsis and M* any less of a threat to be a National title, however.
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Post by: usnlt7676 on February 05, 2009, 04:22:19 PM
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If had the ability to take one team who took 4th the year before and combine it with another teams varsity lineup, I would've won a title already as well.

2 combined teams=Championship.
But the real question: could you convince 5 guys to give up a year of eligibility and take a scholarship cut just to wrestle for youy? if you could then yes you might win a title.
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Post by: crablegs on February 05, 2009, 08:06:00 PM
Quote from: "usnlt7676"
Quote from: "Rockhard"
If had the ability to take one team who took 4th the year before and combine it with another teams varsity lineup, I would've won a title already as well.

2 combined teams=Championship.
But the real question: could you convince 5 guys to give up a year of eligibility and take a scholarship cut just to wrestle for youy? if you could then yes you might win a title.
My first post! YAY!

Anyway just curious I wonder how much scholarship Metcalf is on, and how much he gave up.  What do you guys think?
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Post by: Viratas on February 05, 2009, 08:11:30 PM
Crab a good question, but I would guess a half.
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Post by: crablegs on February 05, 2009, 09:52:27 PM
So what you're saying V is you think that no one on Iowa gets a full ride.  Was that your experience at Minn that absolutely no one had a full ride?
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Post by: Viratas on February 05, 2009, 09:55:20 PM
We had 11 Scholarships then.... I think... There were 1 or 2 that got full rides but the rest were either 1/3 or 2/3  or some combo..