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Title: Question about different states
Post by: scmathlete on March 02, 2017, 10:36:49 AM
I thought that I saw somewhere on here a list of how each state determines its team state champion. Our (SC) state director has said (I've only heard this secondhand, and am just going back to my source with information, he can do what he wants with it) that he doesn't want to put too much effort into reworking/improving our state championship tournament because wrestling numbers are in decline, and we're one of only a handful of states that actually holds two state championships (we have a dual tournament or playoffs for team championships, and individual tournament for individual champions) for wrestling.  I've finished the research for the number of participants line, and I thought that many states had a dual tournament team championship for wrestling.

Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: mspart on March 03, 2017, 12:30:06 AM
I know MN holds a dual tourney at the same time as the individual state championship.  Creates double duty for the good kids on good teams.  I think they take the top 8 teams in each region and single elim it.  Perhaps it is the top 4 teams, it has been awhile since I lived there.

Here in WA, they do it the same way the determine team champion at the NCAA championships. 

mspart
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: leglace on March 04, 2017, 01:09:11 AM
I recall Virginia having 2 state championships. And they would have a dual sometime afterward with the best from each state (not sure all state champs always participate), AA vs AAA . So you get an all star dual for bragging rights. Not sure if they still do that.
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: FalconWrestlingKY on May 07, 2017, 10:18:42 AM
Kentucky has State Duals and it's also the only one split up into a large school and small school division but we don't use it to keep track of the team state champion, that's always been determined by scoring at the individual championships. Tennessee has a similar system but they make a bigger deal out of their team duals state champion than Kentucky does. It was a bit of a culture shock when a Tennessee guy came over to be our coach when I was in high school and he had us focus on state duals more than almost any other team.
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: ViseGrip on October 17, 2018, 11:29:13 AM
Oklahoma has a dual state tournament the week before regionals. Easch class within the state is divided into 8 districts and each district winner goes to dual state.
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: Jason Bryant on December 06, 2018, 02:00:03 PM
I recall Virginia having 2 state championships. And they would have a dual sometime afterward with the best from each state (not sure all state champs always participate), AA vs AAA . So you get an all star dual for bragging rights. Not sure if they still do that.

There was only a dual state championship for Group AAA for about 7-8 years. The last one was in 1996 when Great Bridge beat Franklin County 66-0 in the finals. There used to be a AAA vs. AA/A dual at the end of the season, but it wasn't sanctioned by the HS league, so the participation was always scattered. There are currently 7 classes in Virginia - six public and one private and no dual state championships.
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: Jason Bryant on December 06, 2018, 02:00:41 PM
So the state director allegedly knows that numbers are down and doesn't want to do anything to stop it. That's how I read that.
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: mspart on December 06, 2018, 05:14:41 PM
Here in WA they run it similar to the NCAA's.  One Tourney, one giant tourney, all classifications are there.  The whole state is at the Tacoma Dome with 24+ mats.  Individual champs are crowned and the team points are added up for the team champion. 

mspart
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: RYou on December 06, 2018, 05:44:11 PM
24 mats ?  That's insane. How many have been DQ'd because they could find the correct mat ?

NJ offers a single individual tournament, 14 "state champs".  The team tournaments are by group and do not wrestle down to a single state championship team like they do in basketball..
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: mspart on December 07, 2018, 01:36:15 AM
Not sure anyone has been DQ'd.  Probably though.  We have A, 2A, 3A, 4A and then the really small schools, 1B and 2B and then girls.  So yeah, a lot of mats.  Every kid that qualifies for the state tourney is there.  I think MN does it that way too.  Big Dance with everyone there.

mspart
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: scmathlete on February 22, 2019, 03:24:16 PM
So the state director allegedly knows that numbers are down and doesn't want to do anything to stop it. That's how I read that.

First thank you all for your responses. Secondly, yes the state director is only in charge of wrestling because nobody else that worked for our state league wanted to be in charge of wrestling. We've always had a football guy that was willing to work with wrestling because most of the wrestling coaches also coach football in my state.
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: mspart on February 23, 2019, 10:56:51 AM
 This is the first year or state tournament at 32 man brackets. That was due to heavy snowfall that restricted travel for the regional tournament.  Some people liked it some people did not.
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: RYou on February 23, 2019, 02:02:00 PM
NJ does a 32 man bracket, top 4 from 8 regions.  It used to be 24 with top 3 but they realized it was only 8 more bouts.  No more byes for the region champs.

No way could NJ skip the region tournaments.
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: ViseGrip on March 07, 2019, 03:15:24 PM
OK has 4 divisions. All compete in at the same time under one roof with 2 mats per division and 10 men in each bracket.
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: mspart on March 08, 2019, 12:47:55 PM
Are you sure it is 10 men in each bracket?   

mspart
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: caseman on March 11, 2019, 10:59:48 AM
Michigan has a team dual tournament for all four divisions.  Four team champions are crowned.  Then a week later we have individual state championships; again with four divisions.

I just assumed that was how all states did it.
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: ViseGrip on April 02, 2019, 05:38:26 PM
Are you sure it is 10 men in each bracket?   

mspart
Yes. The 4th placer in one regional meets the 5th placer in the other regtional and visa versa.
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: Snackem on April 30, 2019, 12:58:40 AM
This is the first year or state tournament at 32 man brackets. That was due to heavy snowfall that restricted travel for the regional tournament.  Some people liked it some people did not.

What did you think of the 32 man bracket for the WA tournament?  When I was up there I really liked the regional weekend. 

Oregon does the same thing 1A/2A, 3A, 4A, 5A, 6A, and Girls all in the Memorial Coliseum.  2 days and 12 mats with 6 for the finals.
Title: Re: Question about different states
Post by: mspart on April 30, 2019, 10:28:12 AM
I'm thinking that there is a weeding out at Regionals that is good.  But, this gives more wrestlers experience at State where competition is quite fierce.  One of my first years as assistant volunteer throwing dummy, there was a kid that made it to state.  But he was not tough enough.  So I started working with him pushing and shoving and whacking his head and he was just baby pawing at me.  It took 2 days to get him to start hitting me like they were going to do at State.  I think it made a difference, as he took 8th.  Granted that is not all that we really hope for, but he was ecstatic to place at State.  It was a huge win for him and I was really happy for him.  That will be an accomplishment that will stay with him a long time I think, quietly I'm sure.  No one goes around saying, Hey, I took 8th!!   

So I think there are pros and cons to the 32 man bracket.  It takes a lot more wins to place now.  That is a tough two days.

mspart