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Title: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: RYou on March 02, 2021, 03:42:33 PM

https://bigten.org/news/2021/3/2/big-ten-wrestling-pre-seeds-announced.aspx

Here are the top 3.

125
Spencer Lee, Iowa
Liam Cronin, Nebraska
Malik Heinselman, Ohio State

133
Roman Bravo-Young, Penn State
Austin DeSanto, Iowa
Sammy Alvarez, Rutgers

141
Jaydin Eierman, Iowa
Nick Lee, Penn State
Sebastian Rivera, Rutgers

149
Sammy Sasso, Ohio State
Max Murin, Iowa
Griffin Parriott, Purdue

157
Ryan Deakin, Northwestern
Kaleb Young, Iowa
Brayton Lee, Minnesota

165
Alex Marinelli, Iowa
Dan Braunagel, Illinois
Ethan Smith, Ohio State

174
Michael Kemerer, Iowa
Mikey Labriola, Nebraska
Carter Starocci, Penn State

184
Aaron Brooks, Penn State
Christopher Weiler, Wisconsin
Layne Malczewski, Michigan State

197
Eric Schultz, Nebraska
Myles Amine, Michigan
Jacob Warner, Iowa

285
Gable Steveson, Minnesota
Mason Parris, Michigan
Tony Cassioppi Iowa
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: ViseGrip on March 02, 2021, 05:19:48 PM
My ranking of the toughness of the weights
1. 174  Slightly less top heavy as 141, but with Massa at 4 & Washinington at 5 and Romero at 6 this weight wins the crown
2. 141  The top 3 here are all potenital national threats, but after Chad Red it drops off fast
3. 285  Slight edge here over 197 due to the dominance of Steveson
4. 197  Good balance but no sure fire finalists
5  157  Deakin is solid favorite here but 5 or 6 guys could easily make the finals
6  149  Sossa  is solid favorite but like 157 several other could make final
7. 133  Top heavy with RBY & DeSanto, Alvarez is decent but after that nothing
8. 165  Marinelli is solid, but only 3 other finals contenders
9. 125  Everybody ducking Spencer, who can blame them but there isnt much separating #2-#7
10184  After Brooks there isnt much here at all
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: mspart on March 02, 2021, 05:30:16 PM
Iowa has a top 3 seed in all but 174.   

Penn St with 4, tOSU with 3.


Kind of a turnaround from previous years.   

mspart
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: buck on March 02, 2021, 06:48:06 PM
Iowa has 4 weak weights, PSU 3.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: RYou on March 02, 2021, 07:24:48 PM
I expect quite a few "upsets" off the seeds purely due to the minimal competition that occurred arising out of program pauses.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: mspart on March 02, 2021, 07:25:11 PM
So with 10 weights, Iowa has someone ranked top 3 in 9 of those.  PSU has 4 ranked top 3.   

How does Iowa have 4 weak weights and PSU 3 weak weights?   I can see PSU, but Iowa has apparently 9 strong weights and 1 weak one. 

I'd say this spells trouble for PSU to win the National Team title. 

mspart
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: RYou on March 02, 2021, 08:16:14 PM
So with 10 weights, Iowa has someone ranked top 3 in 9 of those.  PSU has 4 ranked top 3.   

How does Iowa have 4 weak weights and PSU 3 weak weights?   I can see PSU, but Iowa has apparently 9 strong weights and 1 weak one. 

I'd say this spells trouble for PSU to win the National Team title. 

mspart

It would be the first time Iowa won the conference and PSU the national title, albeit a stretch this year.  Robert Howard, Penn State was seeded 11.  He'll be in the semi finals.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: buck on March 02, 2021, 08:42:01 PM
I'm talking real world here.  Iowa is iffy at 149, 157, 184, 197.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: ctc on March 02, 2021, 10:51:49 PM
Iowa has a top 3 seed in all but 174.    184.

Penn St with 4, tOSU with 3.


Kind of a turnaround from previous years.   

mspart
174 has #1 Kememer.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: mspart on March 03, 2021, 10:02:18 AM
Oops, my bad.  184 has no Iowa.   Thanks for the correction Coach

mspart
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: ctc on March 03, 2021, 09:13:32 PM
I'm talking real world here.  Iowa is iffy at 149, 157, 184, 197.
All those are very solid except 184.  Nelson  should finish from 4th - 7th range.  That is not bad for "the weak link".
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: red viking on March 03, 2021, 10:36:47 PM
How u feel about Kirkvliet being #7? Seems ok but #6 would be better. Let him wrestle Cassiopi rather than Paris. Putting him at #7 is a raw deal for Paris.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: buck on March 04, 2021, 09:14:00 AM
Wild card in all this is Desanto.  Will he fake another injury when he get cradled?
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: red viking on March 04, 2021, 10:51:52 AM
We'll also get to see who the best Pennsylvania team is. Nittany Lions or Hawkeyes.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: mspart on March 04, 2021, 04:12:13 PM
Wild card in all this is Desanto.  Will he fake another injury when he get cradled?

A kid did this to my brother, claimed he was being choked whilst in a cradle.  My brother could cradle anyone.  Anyway, the kid was a state champion the year before so the ref stopped the match for him being choked.  Not sure how you choke a person you have in a cradle.  Anyway, the match was stopped.   My dad was livid I hear (I was in college at the time) because the kid was pinned flat.  The kid was able to avoid another cradle and win the match.  My bro was robbed I tell you.   

mspart
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: RYou on March 04, 2021, 04:14:52 PM
We'll also get to see who the best Pennsylvania team is. Nittany Lions or Hawkeyes.

All things considered, PSU is not a PA team. Though 14 of 35 on the PSU roster are from PA but only 2 start, Beard and Starocci. Of the 8 other starters, 2 are from Arizona, 2 from Indiana, 2 from Minnesota, 1 each from NJ and Maryland

And Iowa is not an Iowa team. Iowa has 10 from IA, but Brands is the only home grown Iowan in the line up......5 of 32 on the Iowa roster are from PA, All 5 are starters, Desanto, Kemerer, Lee, Murin and Young.  Add in 2 from Illinois, and 1 each from Ohio and Missouri.

Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: buck on March 04, 2021, 04:50:29 PM
Desanto did it twice!  Brands was embarrassed.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: RYou on March 04, 2021, 05:18:49 PM
Desanto did it twice!  Brands was embarrassed.

Not to mention going fetal in the NCAA blood round.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: red viking on March 05, 2021, 09:13:05 AM
We'll also get to see who the best Pennsylvania team is. Nittany Lions or Hawkeyes.

All things considered, PSU is not a PA team. Though 14 of 35 on the PSU roster are from PA but only 2 start, Beard and Starocci. Of the 8 other starters, 2 are from Arizona, 2 from Indiana, 2 from Minnesota, 1 each from NJ and Maryland

And Iowa is not an Iowa team. Iowa has 10 from IA, but Brands is the only home grown Iowan in the line up......5 of 32 on the Iowa roster are from PA, All 5 are starters, Desanto, Kemerer, Lee, Murin and Young.  Add in 2 from Illinois, and 1 each from Ohio and Missouri.

Good point. So maybe the United States Nittany Lions vs. the Pennsylvania Hawkeyes.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: mspart on March 05, 2021, 03:22:40 PM
 :D

mspart
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: RYou on March 05, 2021, 04:04:25 PM
We'll also get to see who the best Pennsylvania team is. Nittany Lions or Hawkeyes.

All things considered, PSU is not a PA team. Though 14 of 35 on the PSU roster are from PA but only 2 start, Beard and Starocci. Of the 8 other starters, 2 are from Arizona, 2 from Indiana, 2 from Minnesota, 1 each from NJ and Maryland

And Iowa is not an Iowa team. Iowa has 10 from IA, but Brands is the only home grown Iowan in the line up......5 of 32 on the Iowa roster are from PA, All 5 are starters, Desanto, Kemerer, Lee, Murin and Young.  Add in 2 from Illinois, and 1 each from Ohio and Missouri.

Good point. So maybe the United States Nittany Lions vs. the Pennsylvania Hawkeyes.

A/K/A the PUS Nittany Lions
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: ViseGrip on March 05, 2021, 06:45:31 PM
Nobody really even cares about the Big XII anymore... sad
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: buck on March 05, 2021, 08:06:35 PM
For good reason.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: RYou on March 05, 2021, 09:22:26 PM
Brackets are up

https://bigten.org/documents/2021/3/5//2021_Big_Ten_Wrestling_Championship_Brackets_3_5_21.pdf?id=6974

Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: ViseGrip on March 05, 2021, 10:59:36 PM
OSU has pulled Kaden Gfeller down to 141.

He’s a threat to AA there
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: ctc on March 07, 2021, 03:11:33 PM
I'm talking real world here.  Iowa is iffy at 149, 157, 184, 197.
One out of 4.  That's like batting .250.  Don't move to Vegas.   :o
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: buck on March 07, 2021, 03:20:29 PM
They've wrestled well plus Brands even left his teeth marks on PSU.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: n9531l on March 07, 2021, 05:38:09 PM
Nobody really even cares about the Big XII anymore... sad

OU has a good chance to knock off OSU as Big 12 champ this afternoon. I predict there is at least one person posting here who would be thrilled if that happened.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: n9531l on March 07, 2021, 09:45:46 PM
Well, there was a lot of drama around the team result in the Big 12 tournament, much more than in the Big 10 tournament. Going into the last two finals matches, OU was leading OSU in the team score by 124 to 120. At 197, 4-seed freshman AJ Ferrari of OSU wrestled 2-seed sophomore Stephen Buchannan of Wyoming. (Wyoming had four in the finals compared to three for OU and OSU, but the Wyoming loss at 165 had left them fighting Iowa State for 3rd place team.) If Ferrari could have gotten a major, OSU would win outright. But he only won a 13-8 decision, and OU and OSU became conference co-champs with 124 each. Some close matches could have changed this result. At 149, OSU's Boo Lewallen decisioned OU's Mitch Moore 7-6.

Iowa State finished third over Wyoming, 117.5 to 105.5, after Wyoming lost all four of their finals matches.

There were no bonus point wins in the finals. The biggest surprise for me was at 133, where OSU's 1-seed Daton Fix only got a 6-1 decision over OU's unseeded Tony Madrigal. Fix had had two majors and a tech fall against his seeded opponents.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: ViseGrip on March 08, 2021, 02:45:36 PM
Nobody really even cares about the Big XII anymore... sad

OU has a good chance to knock off OSU as Big 12 champ this afternoon. I predict there is at least one person posting here who would be thrilled if that happened.

Well its a mixed blessing thats for sure.

But on behalf of the entire Sooner Nation let me offer a hearty BOOMER SOONER to OSU wrestler Kaden Gfeller for his special contribution to our Co-Championship!
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: RYou on March 08, 2021, 03:30:24 PM
If there is a goat on that mountain its OSU has a few tin cans to choose from

157 #6 seed for points goes 2 and BBQ for zip.
165 #1 seed drops in the semi
174 # 3 seed drops his Q final (at least the OSU #197 upsets his way to the semi to make up for 174)
285 #5 seed goes 2 and BBQ.

Win one bout and OSU keeps its title.

Is it me ? I sense OSU has a history of under performing in tournaments in the past few years.

Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: RYou on March 08, 2021, 03:39:00 PM
Eierman may have gotten the tournament wrestler award, but there should be something for the kid the wrestles way over his head.

Rutgers 149 Van Brill lost his opener to the 9 seed, then wrestles back knocking out seeds #5, #2, #3, and #6 to take a bronze.  The kid entered with a 1-3 record.

I guess you could say his bronze after that run is a sufficient recognition of the effort.

Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: mspart on March 08, 2021, 03:59:33 PM
Is it me ? I sense OSU has a history of under performing in tournaments in the past few years.

I have been saying this for years.  I got slammed for doing so, but they always seem to not get the thrill of victory, rather they get the agony of defeat.   Seems to happen to quite a few of their wrestlers.   

mspart
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: mspart on March 08, 2021, 05:28:22 PM
B1G brackets are here.

https://bigten.org/documents/2021/3/7//2021_Big_Ten_Bracket.pdf?id=6982

Steveson with a dominant performance. 

IOWA wrested to seed except for the following:

Improved:
#9 Brands comes out #4

Choked:
#2 Murin 2 and out


By contrast,  PSU wrestled to seed except for the following:

Improved
#11 Howard finishes #6
#3 Starocci finishes #2
#7 Beard finishes #6
#7 Kerkvliet finishes #4

Choked
#11 Bartlett finishes #12-#16
#5 Berge finishes #6
#6 Lee finishes #8


mspart

Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: RYou on March 08, 2021, 08:21:15 PM
Speaking of Eierman.....

2016 - Missouri Red Shirt
2017 - Missouri
2018 - Missouri
2019 - Missouri
2020 - Olympic Waiver
2021 - Iowa
2022 - Don't tell me he's getting a COVID season courtesy of the NCAA
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: ViseGrip on March 08, 2021, 08:40:33 PM
If there is a goat on that mountain its OSU has a few tin cans to choose from

157 #6 seed for points goes 2 and BBQ for zip.
165 #1 seed drops in the semi
174 # 3 seed drops his Q final (at least the OSU #197 upsets his way to the semi to make up for 174)
285 #5 seed goes 2 and BBQ.

Win one bout and OSU keeps its title.

Is it me ? I sense OSU has a history of under performing in tournaments in the past few years.

Madrigal had a 3-7 record including getting thrashed then stuck by Fix in the dual. But in the finals he fought hard wit a TD and a LONG ride and kept Fix from gaining a bonus win.

Smith told us that Fix was looking better than he ever has before. But if he wrestles like that at the NCAA, he will NOT win it.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: ctc on March 08, 2021, 08:47:07 PM
They've wrestled well plus Brands even left his teeth marks on PSU.
I don't think so.  Biting leaves both an upper and lower indentation.  Good tip-off on this - Brooks never complained of a bite.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: ctc on March 08, 2021, 08:52:11 PM
Speaking of Eierman.....

2016 - Missouri Red Shirt
2017 - Missouri
2018 - Missouri
2019 - Missouri
2020 - Olympic Waiver
2021 - Iowa
2022 - Don't tell me he's getting a COVID season courtesy of the NCAA
Rumor I heard is he is coming back as is Marinelli and Kemerer.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: n9531l on March 09, 2021, 04:09:50 AM
But on behalf of the entire Sooner Nation let me offer a hearty BOOMER SOONER to OSU wrestler Kaden Gfeller for his special contribution to our Co-Championship!

Certainly Gfeller's failure to score more team points was a factor in OSU ending up as Big 12 co-champions instead of outright champions. But I don't think he deliberately underperformed. I feel a little sorry for Gfeller, considering how he probably feels about having failed to perform better.

I also feel a little sorry for those people who take pleasure in celebrating other people's failures.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: n9531l on March 09, 2021, 11:56:43 AM
Win one bout and OSU keeps its title.

"We definitely didn't want the co-championship. I think each team would've preferred to have won it, but congratulations to Oklahoma on a good effort and the things they did to put themselves in a position to win. It is what it is, but it reminds each guy in tight races like this to think about what they could have done to score one more point." - John Smith
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: ViseGrip on March 09, 2021, 01:40:27 PM
But on behalf of the entire Sooner Nation let me offer a hearty BOOMER SOONER to OSU wrestler Kaden Gfeller for his special contribution to our Co-Championship!

Certainly Gfeller's failure to score more team points was a factor in OSU ending up as Big 12 co-champions instead of outright champions. But I don't think he deliberately underperformed. I feel a little sorry for Gfeller, considering how he probably feels about having failed to perform better.

I also feel a little sorry for those people who take pleasure in celebrating other people's failures.


I guess you didnt hear....

OSU was deducted a team point for his use of foul language during or following his consolation bout loss.  I would never make fun of a fellow Charger for a loss, but doing something rash and foolish is fair game!  :D
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: ViseGrip on March 09, 2021, 01:45:48 PM
But on behalf of the entire Sooner Nation let me offer a hearty BOOMER SOONER to OSU wrestler Kaden Gfeller for his special contribution to our Co-Championship!

Certainly Gfeller's failure to score more team points was a factor in OSU ending up as Big 12 co-champions instead of outright champions. But I don't think he deliberately underperformed. I feel a little sorry for Gfeller, considering how he probably feels about having failed to perform better.

I also feel a little sorry for those people who take pleasure in celebrating other people's failures.


FWIW... I think with the exception of Ferrarri, every member of that team underperformed in that tournament. And I think Smith would admit that. 

Fix's finals performance was especiually disappointing to them Im sure given how how dominated Madrigal just a couple of weeks ago.  In fact Smith was bragging before the tournament about how he was wrestling better than he ever had before.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: mspart on March 09, 2021, 02:22:38 PM
Maybe overconfidence and not putting in 110%. 

mspart
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: RYou on March 09, 2021, 02:36:50 PM
But on behalf of the entire Sooner Nation let me offer a hearty BOOMER SOONER to OSU wrestler Kaden Gfeller for his special contribution to our Co-Championship!

Certainly Gfeller's failure to score more team points was a factor in OSU ending up as Big 12 co-champions instead of outright champions. But I don't think he deliberately underperformed. I feel a little sorry for Gfeller, considering how he probably feels about having failed to perform better.

I also feel a little sorry for those people who take pleasure in celebrating other people's failures.


I guess you didnt hear....

OSU was deducted a team point for his use of foul language during or following his consolation bout loss.


That stings.

All in all OSU under performed as a team.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: mspart on March 09, 2021, 02:49:03 PM
Can anyone find the Big 12 finished brackets?  I have looked and cannot find them.

mspart
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: RYou on March 09, 2021, 03:18:41 PM
Linky was on the OSU website

https://okstate.com/documents/2021/3/7//2021_Big_12_Brackets_Final.pdf?id=25962
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: n9531l on March 09, 2021, 03:24:45 PM
I guess you didnt hear....
OSU was deducted a team point for his use of foul language during or following his consolation bout loss.

No, I didn't hear about that. It makes me feel less sorry for him.

On a positive note, we can both be happy about the way it turned out. You can be happy the Sooners got a conference wrestling title for the first time since 2002. I can be happy the Pokes got a conference wrestling title for the ninth consecutive time, breaking the record they set in 1929.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: mspart on March 09, 2021, 03:46:26 PM
Linky was on the OSU website

https://okstate.com/documents/2021/3/7//2021_Big_12_Brackets_Final.pdf?id=25962

Thanks.   Yep, the 'Pokes under performed greatly.   Half their crew did not wrestle to seed.  Gfeller taking 8th helped them out tremendously as he was unseeded.   Any one of these guys had done better, Pokes would have won.  It seems like the Pokes always underperform.  Well not always, but it happens often enough.  Fix cruised through the bracket and didn't do so in the finals, I'm guessing due to arrogance. 

#3 Trevor Mastrogiovanni  got 5th
#6 Sheets two and out
#1 Travis Wittlake took 3rd
#3 Dustin Plott took 4th
#5 Austin Harris two and out

mspart
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: ViseGrip on March 09, 2021, 10:01:28 PM
I guess you didnt hear....
OSU was deducted a team point for his use of foul language during or following his consolation bout loss.

No, I didn't hear about that. It makes me feel less sorry for him.

On a positive note, we can both be happy about the way it turned out. You can be happy the Sooners got a conference wrestling title for the first time since 2002. I can be happy the Pokes got a conference wrestling title for the ninth consecutive time, breaking the record they set in 1929.

To be honest I’m conflicted. Winning a co-championship with a team most realistically figured to be 5th or 6th at best is a legitimate accomplishment.  This is the first time that they have performed well in the Rosselli reign. I’d like to be optimistic about our chances at the NCAA, but I don’t see more than 2 or 3 placers (if that). I hope they prove me wrong again. The bottom line is that I don’t think Rosselli is a good fit here and one good tournament isn’t enough to change my mind.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: buck on March 10, 2021, 08:58:25 AM
Well you're a trumpster so Lou shouldn't feel too bad.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: ViseGrip on March 10, 2021, 10:14:40 AM
Well you're a trumpster so Lou shouldn't feel too bad.

Nothing about this is correct. But whatever.
Title: Re: B1G Pre-seeds
Post by: buck on March 10, 2021, 10:22:50 AM
Just seeing if you're awake, ;)