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Title: Should Michael Vick be allowed to play in the NFL?
Post by: StephanVonVesthell on August 14, 2009, 12:41:59 PM
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Title: Re: Should Michael Vick be allowed to play in the NFL?
Post by: AKIN on August 14, 2009, 01:03:09 PM
He's paid his debt. So if someone wants to hire him(obviously they did), he should be able to play.
Title: Re: Should Michael Vick be allowed to play in the NFL?
Post by: StephanVonVesthell on August 14, 2009, 01:36:50 PM
I agree.  He SHOULD be allowed to play again.  But, would you get the same opportunity if you had lost your CEO position at a place of employment after you had paid your dues from dog fighting?
Title: Re: Should Michael Vick be allowed to play in the NFL?
Post by: Cougar1 on August 14, 2009, 01:44:13 PM
Quote from: "StephanVonVesthell"
I agree.  He SHOULD be allowed to play again.  But, would you get the same opportunity if you had lost your CEO position at a place of employment after you had paid your dues from dog fighting?

Either I'm having a "stupid" moment or your question is just worded funny. Can you rephrase that.  :D  Yes, he should be allowed to play again. He made foolish choices and paid his time. My sincere hope for him is that he's a better man for it and will do well with his new team.
Title: Re: Should Michael Vick be allowed to play in the NFL?
Post by: AKIN on August 14, 2009, 02:40:35 PM
Quote from: "StephanVonVesthell"
I agree.  He SHOULD be allowed to play again.  But, would you get the same opportunity if you had lost your CEO position at a place of employment after you had paid your dues from dog fighting?

Sure, if someone was willing to hire you. I don't see a difference. Do you have a specific instance in mind?
Title: Re: Should Michael Vick be allowed to play in the NFL?
Post by: StephanVonVesthell on August 14, 2009, 02:44:14 PM
Quote from: "AKIN"
Quote from: "StephanVonVesthell"
I agree.  He SHOULD be allowed to play again.  But, would you get the same opportunity if you had lost your CEO position at a place of employment after you had paid your dues from dog fighting?

Sure, if someone was willing to hire you. I don't see a difference. Do you have a specific instance in mind?
I was just saying, it doesn't seem likely that you will get another chance like he has to enter the profession that you once occupied after a stint in prison.  I was alluding to him getting that opportunity due to him being a wealthy athlete.  It seems to only happen in the sports world, unless I am mistaken.
Title: Re: Should Michael Vick be allowed to play in the NFL?
Post by: Cougar1 on August 14, 2009, 04:46:19 PM
Quote from: "StephanVonVesthell"
Quote from: "AKIN"
Quote from: "StephanVonVesthell"
I agree.  He SHOULD be allowed to play again.  But, would you get the same opportunity if you had lost your CEO position at a place of employment after you had paid your dues from dog fighting?

Sure, if someone was willing to hire you. I don't see a difference. Do you have a specific instance in mind?
I was just saying, it doesn't seem likely that you will get another chance like he has to enter the profession that you once occupied after a stint in prison.  I was alluding to him getting that opportunity due to him being a wealthy athlete.  It seems to only happen in the sports world, unless I am mistaken.

OK, I get it now. I would tend to agree that the odds are pretty slim for a CEO. Prison tends to flush one's opportunities down the crapper.
Title: Re: Should Michael Vick be allowed to play in the NFL?
Post by: AKIN on August 14, 2009, 05:52:24 PM
Quote from: "StephanVonVesthell"
Quote from: "AKIN"
Quote from: "StephanVonVesthell"
I agree.  He SHOULD be allowed to play again.  But, would you get the same opportunity if you had lost your CEO position at a place of employment after you had paid your dues from dog fighting?

Sure, if someone was willing to hire you. I don't see a difference. Do you have a specific instance in mind?
I was just saying, it doesn't seem likely that you will get another chance like he has to enter the profession that you once occupied after a stint in prison.  I was alluding to him getting that opportunity due to him being a wealthy athlete.  It seems to only happen in the sports world, unless I am mistaken.


I agree it would be tougher for someone other than a pro athlete to get back into his profession after prison, but I think it is possible. Obviously it would most likely take longer than it took Vick to get back in.
Title: Re: Should Michael Vick be allowed to play in the NFL?
Post by: Jimmy the Gent on August 14, 2009, 08:03:44 PM
Quote from: "StephanVonVesthell"
Quote from: "AKIN"
Quote from: "StephanVonVesthell"
I agree.  He SHOULD be allowed to play again.  But, would you get the same opportunity if you had lost your CEO position at a place of employment after you had paid your dues from dog fighting?

Sure, if someone was willing to hire you. I don't see a difference. Do you have a specific instance in mind?
I was just saying, it doesn't seem likely that you will get another chance like he has to enter the profession that you once occupied after a stint in prison.  I was alluding to him getting that opportunity due to him being a wealthy athlete.  It seems to only happen in the sports world, unless I am mistaken.

what are you talking about?  Most people can resume work in their same profession after they serve time.  They might not work for the same employer, but they work in the same profession.

Just like Vick.  Not taken back by his old employer, Atlanta, find a different employer, Philly.
Title: Re: Should Michael Vick be allowed to play in the NFL?
Post by: Jimmy the Gent on August 14, 2009, 08:04:11 PM
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Title: Re: Should Michael Vick be allowed to play in the NFL?
Post by: StephanVonVesthell on August 15, 2009, 01:59:33 AM
Quote from: "Jimmy the Gent"
Quote from: "StephanVonVesthell"
Quote from: "AKIN"
Quote from: "StephanVonVesthell"
I agree.  He SHOULD be allowed to play again.  But, would you get the same opportunity if you had lost your CEO position at a place of employment after you had paid your dues from dog fighting?

Sure, if someone was willing to hire you. I don't see a difference. Do you have a specific instance in mind?
I was just saying, it doesn't seem likely that you will get another chance like he has to enter the profession that you once occupied after a stint in prison.  I was alluding to him getting that opportunity due to him being a wealthy athlete.  It seems to only happen in the sports world, unless I am mistaken.

what are you talking about?  Most people can resume work in their same profession after they serve time.  They might not work for the same employer, but they work in the same profession.

Just like Vick.  Not taken back by his old employer, Atlanta, find a different employer, Philly.


Do you have any examples?  I really don't know.  I am pretty obliviously confident about my statement though.
Title: Re: Should Michael Vick be allowed to play in the NFL?
Post by: royboy on August 15, 2009, 03:44:45 AM
why not Ray Lewis killed a dude...
Title: Re: Should Michael Vick be allowed to play in the NFL?
Post by: ctc on August 15, 2009, 08:33:36 AM
I voted "yes".  There don't seem to be any set in stone guidelines as to what would permanently expell someone and what would not.  These should be in place prior.  I would place dogfighting and gambling in there for expellsion.
Title: Re: Should Michael Vick be allowed to play in the NFL?
Post by: ac1998 on August 17, 2009, 02:54:08 PM
Dante Stallworth and Leonard Little killed people while driving drunk and will get to play in the NFL again.  What Vick did was abhorant, but I don't think it's worse that that.
Title: Re: Should Michael Vick be allowed to play in the NFL?
Post by: ViseGrip on August 17, 2009, 03:02:00 PM
Quote from: "StephanVonVesthell"
I agree.  He SHOULD be allowed to play again.  But, would you get the same opportunity if you had lost your CEO position at a place of employment after you had paid your dues from dog fighting?

Entirely different skill sets needed between being a CEO and an NFL player. As a CEO, many decisions are value based, but very few or none on a football field. CEO's would not be prevented from seeking lower employment positions with less resposibilty.

He paid his debt to society. I dont buy his newfound regret, but he has a right to ply his trade.