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Off-Topic / Re: Something I have noticed on this board
« on: June 17, 2009, 09:08:17 AM »
Quote from: "RedWrestler"
Quote from: "coachsparky"
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In fact I would believe that you would be the most unintelligent person, being that you think you are always right and smarter than everyone else. It takes a real intelligent person to admit sometimes they are wrong.

Actually red, that just goes to show you how incredibly stupid you are.  I actuall do not believe that I am always right, nor do I believe I am smarter than everyone.  I believe I am no where near as smart as Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Albert Schwietzer, Albert Einstien, John Lennon, Mahatma Ghandi, and many many many others who I respect quite a bit.  I have many times admitted I was wrong, and will always do so when it is shown that I am wrong.

OK, so we have all the rich and really smart people in the world, and then there is Sparky...I think not.

If your so smart why do you spend all your time on here, go use your "greatness" for something else, away from normal, rational people.

Sparky has one criteria for judging intelligence: degree of agreement with him. People who disagree with him are stupider and people who agree are the same intelligence or smarter. Notice that he has never said that anyone who disagrees with him was smarter than him. The closest he has come to admitting that was saying that someone just must not be using their intelligence if they disagree with him.

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Quote from: "coachsparky"
Quote from: "usnlt7676"
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Quote from: "Viratas"
How can you say one sexual preference is born and another is not? That makes no sense Sparky

You are equating perversions with sexual preferences.  Attraction to another person is not a perversion, going after kid is, going after animals is.  When someone equates the two, I realize they do not have a grasp on reality.  You need to take a step back and think about this V, it is an extremely and evilly bigoted position.

Prove it. Show me the science that says attraction to children is not natural in pedophiles. You call it a perversion, but science calls it a predisposition. Maybei think that homosexuality is a perversion. Maybe pedophiles think their attraction is a preference. And usually one that is at least partially inborn. Attraction to children feels just as natural for these people as attraction to women feels to me and attraction to men or women or whatever does to you.

If i'm wrong, prove it. And not be calling me evil or bigoted. Prove it with real evidence and not just arbitrary labels that you invent.

And stop calling things evil. That word only has teeth if there are consequnces, and in your view there is not.

You really are screwed up usnlt.  Having an attraction to people of the same gender, and developing a loving sharing relationship with another human being who can share those feelings based on that attraction is not even close to being perverse.  Having desires to control and manipulate people who cannot equivocate on the same level is a perversion, not a predisposition and science does not call it that.  Maybe you do thing loving another human being who just happens to be the same gender as you is perverse, but that is because of the sickness that you upbringing has left you with.  And no taking advantage of a person who is not physically and emotionally able to return you affections is not inborn and is not and does not feel natural to those who have it.  I have seen plenty of documentaries of these people and for the ones that are not psychopaths they experience extreme guilt for their behavior.  The evidence is everywhere around you.  Loving another human being who can return that love is not evil, is not perverse and calling it so because of your years of brainwashing is bigoted and is evil.

So then marrying 5 women is ok? Marrying a 12 year old is ok as long as she is mature? I have said a hundred times that i am ok with gay people doing what they do. It is not how humans were designed, but neither is a lot of immoral stuff we do. It is immoral, and no amount of name-calling on your part will change that fact. The lovely thing about my view is that according to your worldview, even if it is evil there is no consequence. We will both wind up in the same heaven, yes? So you have offered no incentive for me to change my mind.

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Quote from: "coachsparky"
Quote from: "RedWrestler"
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You need help sparky. Your are the one truly brain washed.

Yeah right, the guy who expresses an opinion unique and different than the vast majority of the person is the one who is brainwashed.  Red, you really need to sit back and think about that statement, it makes you sound even more stupid then you normally do.

Sparky I have an opinion unique and different from you. But you put me down for that, by calling me a bigot, or saying everything I have to say is total bullshit.

I say you are brainwashed because I believe you are. You are not conforming to the pointless religions on this earth but you have brain washed yourself believe that everything you say is the truth and everyone else is wrong.

Do you ever admit that some one else is right?

Actually yes I do admit other people are right Red.  Sgallan is right most the time, but then he usually agrees with me so that makes sense.  I also admit I am wrong when it can be shown concretely that I am.  I probably have somewhere between 6 and 12 times in the last four or five years on here.

I don't put you down because you have an opinion which is not in the least unique but rather conforms to the tradition
Christian brainwashing, or because it is different than mine.  Rather I point out you lack of intellectual ability and ridicule you lack of self control by knocking your girlfriend up and call you a bigot because by your very words you are a bigot.

Your opinion is far from unique, sparky. I was reading a book on world religions (from their own perspectives) the other day in Borders, and the section on Unitarianism had quotes from Unitarians that could have come straight from your mouth. In fact some of their statements were almost verbatim the same as statements you have made on this board. So i could say you are brainwashed by both your religion and the cultural left.

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Off-Topic / Re: Something I have noticed on this board
« on: June 17, 2009, 08:53:04 AM »
Quote from: "coachsparky"
Quote from: "usnlt7676"
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Perhaps we are disagreeing on the definition of "better." I am not denying that some people are better than others at certain things. People can be better at sports or critical thinking or furniture making or joke-telling or whatever than someone else. But what i am saying is that nobody is better than any other person when it comes to their worth as a human being, their intrinsic worth.

What makes you or I qualified to say that you are a better human being than, for example, red or CTC? This is the exact attitude that racists have when they declare that their race is better than another race. Hitler felt justified in doing what he did to the Jews b/c he was certain that he was better than them. The only difference here is that attitude of superiority applies to their whole race whereas yours applies to you personally, but it is really the same attitude.

You are referring then to a definition of better that does not fit into how I have discussed others then. Yes I know for a fact I am smarter than ctc and red, and many other posters on here, but no I do not believe for a second that makes me worth more as a human being. I have never believed that or stated that. What appears to be happening here is a bit of projection. I am actually flabbergasted that you could have ever come up with the idea that I think I am better as a human being than ctc or red just because they are not even close to as intelligent as I am.

I'm not sure why you are flabbergasted. You said, quote "I am better than them..." Then you added that you are also smarter. If i walk up to someone as tell them that i am better than them, what do you think they would think i mean? It is insulting to walk around talking about how you are better or smarter or whatever than another person. As a Christian, I would expect that you would try to practice the virtue of humility sometimes.

To bad you would not recognize humility if it smacked you in the face.  I am the only christian other on this site who has ever displayed any humility.  I recognize I am a spec in the universe.  I am no better than an ameoba, an ant, an earthworm, or any other creature here or on any other planet.  You and your fellow mistaken right wing Christian whackos all think you are chosen, there is nothing even related to humility in that attitude.

So you are smarter and better than most other people, but no better than an ant and an earthworm. You must have some real identity crises to work out. But in reality i know you do not live your supposed beliefs otherwise you would consider swatting a fly the same as killing your neighbor.

Actually, I do completely live my beliefs.  Yes I am smarter than many many people.  That makes me better at lots of things but give me no more inherent value then them.  I have also been physically gifted my whole life, although it is diminishing with age.  That also makes me better at lots of things than many many people, but again that does not give me more inherent value than them.  I realize this is a tough thing for you to grasp giving your years of religious brainwashing that makes you think you are chosen and unique.  Real humility is something Christians like you can never grasp.

If you were as smart as you claim, you would understand that real humility is not demonstrated by constantly talking about how much smarter you are than others. Really smart people don't need to say how smart they are over and over to make sure they remember it. Think about the biggest braggart you know, the person always talking about how much more tough or smart or witty or whatever they are than others. How many people would look at this hypothetical person and say "wow, how humble"? Most people would think "what a dick", not "well, it's ok b/c he is obviously telling the truth. He is just much smarter than me."

Humble people do not brag about their attributes to others. That is part of humility: even though they are better at something, they don't lord it over people b/c they are humble enough to know that this person is also better than them at some things. They also know that this intelligence and physical ability was inborn, it isn't of their doing.

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Off-Topic / Re: Tougher Hate Crimes Laws Needed
« on: June 17, 2009, 08:28:09 AM »
Quote from: "red viking"
So our attorney general says that tougher hate crimes laws are needed because this guy James von Brunn went on a murderous rampage at a holocaust museum.  I have some questions:

--Would this have stopped him from doing what he did?  Would he say to himself "I can already spend the rest of my life in prison for this but since it will be 3 life terms instead of 2 maybe I'll reconsider".

--Is this a good way to minimize racism, to treat crimes against people of some races differently from crimes against others, and hence making race more of an issue in our society than it already is?  Sounds like a good way to breed resentment, to set race-based standards.

--If somebody murders or commits battery against another person, isn't that already hateful?  I don't understand how it is more hateful for a white person to kill a black person than to kill a white person.

--Is it a hate crime if a minority kills somebody in the "majority"?

It does seem a little silly. The deterrence effect will be zero...this is just to make activists feel better. I can see it now: a crazed killer saying "wait, i better not shoot up this Synagogue after all. they might charge me with a hate crime." If you really hate, maybe getting a hate crime charge is even more incentive. Might even mean some extra prison time where you can really cultivate your hatred as an official member of the Aryan Nation. Plenty of blacks to stab in there.

Another question: so if someone assaults me and calls me a homo, but i'm not actually gay, is that a hate crime? I'm not gay, but the hate was predicated on his thinking i am. Same thing right?  It's like drug charges against a guy who thinks the oregano he bought was weed.

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Polls / Re: Term Limits or Not
« on: June 16, 2009, 05:28:40 AM »
Quote from: "jvscrub"
One 6 year term for the President, one six year term for Senators, and two two year terms for House.  No running for House or Senate if you already served in the other.  If you served your maximum for House and/or Senate, no running for President.  Governors may serve only two four year terms and if you serve the max at that level, no running for House, Senate, or President.  This eliminates most career politicians.

Any no lobbying for at least 10 years after you get out of office.

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Off-Topic / Re: Something I have noticed on this board
« on: June 16, 2009, 05:06:46 AM »
Quote from: "coachsparky"
Quote from: "usnlt7676"
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Perhaps we are disagreeing on the definition of "better." I am not denying that some people are better than others at certain things. People can be better at sports or critical thinking or furniture making or joke-telling or whatever than someone else. But what i am saying is that nobody is better than any other person when it comes to their worth as a human being, their intrinsic worth.

What makes you or I qualified to say that you are a better human being than, for example, red or CTC? This is the exact attitude that racists have when they declare that their race is better than another race. Hitler felt justified in doing what he did to the Jews b/c he was certain that he was better than them. The only difference here is that attitude of superiority applies to their whole race whereas yours applies to you personally, but it is really the same attitude.

You are referring then to a definition of better that does not fit into how I have discussed others then. Yes I know for a fact I am smarter than ctc and red, and many other posters on here, but no I do not believe for a second that makes me worth more as a human being. I have never believed that or stated that. What appears to be happening here is a bit of projection. I am actually flabbergasted that you could have ever come up with the idea that I think I am better as a human being than ctc or red just because they are not even close to as intelligent as I am.

I'm not sure why you are flabbergasted. You said, quote "I am better than them..." Then you added that you are also smarter. If i walk up to someone as tell them that i am better than them, what do you think they would think i mean? It is insulting to walk around talking about how you are better or smarter or whatever than another person. As a Christian, I would expect that you would try to practice the virtue of humility sometimes.

To bad you would not recognize humility if it smacked you in the face.  I am the only christian other on this site who has ever displayed any humility.  I recognize I am a spec in the universe.  I am no better than an ameoba, an ant, an earthworm, or any other creature here or on any other planet.  You and your fellow mistaken right wing Christian whackos all think you are chosen, there is nothing even related to humility in that attitude.

So you are smarter and better than most other people, but no better than an ant and an earthworm. You must have some real identity crises to work out. But in reality i know you do not live your supposed beliefs otherwise you would consider swatting a fly the same as killing your neighbor.

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Quote from: "coachsparky"
Quote from: "Viratas"
How can you say one sexual preference is born and another is not? That makes no sense Sparky

You are equating perversions with sexual preferences.  Attraction to another person is not a perversion, going after kid is, going after animals is.  When someone equates the two, I realize they do not have a grasp on reality.  You need to take a step back and think about this V, it is an extremely and evilly bigoted position.

Prove it. Show me the science that says attraction to children is not natural in pedophiles. You call it a perversion, but science calls it a predisposition. Maybei think that homosexuality is a perversion. Maybe pedophiles think their attraction is a preference. And usually one that is at least partially inborn. Attraction to children feels just as natural for these people as attraction to women feels to me and attraction to men or women or whatever does to you.

If i'm wrong, prove it. And not be calling me evil or bigoted. Prove it with real evidence and not just arbitrary labels that you invent.

And stop calling things evil. That word only has teeth if there are consequnces, and in your view there is not.

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Quote from: "LoSt"
Quote from: "usnlt7676"
You have some very good points in there and i agree with many of them. There are too many people who display hatred towards gays for their behavior. It is never right to hate anyone, and of course the Phelps family is being non-Christian from the outset by saying that God "hates" anyone. I also agree that what people want to do to or with each other in their own homes should be left alone by the law, within some public health limits.

However i will not equate this with civil rights such as what black people or women had to deal with. It is not close to the same. Black people were slaves. Women couldn't vote. So while there are some similarities, the magnitude of issues that gays have had to deal with is not the same. Blacks and women could be identified and discriminated against on sight, gays aren't b/c who you are sexually attracted to is not obvious on sight.

Secondly, the so-called "gay culture" is problematic. Sexual orientation is just sexual orientation. It is who you are attracted to. That is one small element of culture, but it not legitimate to call it a culture in itself.  

I will say that i do believe homosexual behavior is immoral. That is my right, and it is the right of churches and other groups who feel the same way. Gay groups attack those who legitimately believe that their behavior is wrong, and that itself is intolerant. If you expect tolerance for your own behavior, you had better be tolerant of those who disagree.

People should read the commentary of lesbian pundit Tammy Bruce. In her book she excoriates gay groups. She is gay herself, but she exposes these activist groups for trying to force their viewpoints onto society and for supporting various other perversions. She exposes the whole concept of "gay pride" as ridiculous. Straight people don't walk around publicizing their sexuality, so why should gays?


I'm going to post on the idea of public/private displays of sexuality later on, but there are a couple of much easier points to address I think.


However i will not equate this with civil rights such as what black people or women had to deal with. It is not close to the same. Black people were slaves. Women couldn't vote. So while there are some similarities, the magnitude of issues that gays have had to deal with is not the same. Blacks and women could be identified and discriminated against on sight, gays aren't b/c who you are sexually attracted to is not obvious on sight.


I think you have some of your history a little mixed up here.  The civil rights movement occurred a century after blacks were freed from slavery, so thats a faulty connection.  Similarly, the feminist movement of the 1960's happened decades after women were granted the right to vote.  Simply granting those groups constitutional rights did not end discrimination or give them equality.
 
  This is the same reason why its faulty logic to say that "gays have the same rights as everyone else, so whats the problem?".  For starters, they DON'T have the same rights, since they still aren't allowed to marry in the majority of states, and they aren't allowed to openly serve in the military.  Even ignoring that fact, there is still a percentage of the American population (yourself included) that thinks being gay is somehow "wrong" and that homosexual behavior is immoral.  You can't possibly try to tell me that gay people across this country dont have to face discrimination, bigotry, and unfounded hatred.  Because they do.  I've seen it first-hand at my school.

 If these perceptions didn't exist and gay people were allowed to enjoy the same rights that straight people do there is no doubt in my mind that gay pride groups would dwindle into irrelevance.  But until America joins the rest of the West in accepting homosexuality as a natural phenomenon you can expect to see parades on the streets.

My point has entirely flown by you, Lost. I am aware of the timeline of slavery and civil rights, but certainly some would not agree with you that it is a faulty connection. Many would propose that discrimination of blacks in general is a vestige of slavery and is all part of the same struggle for freedom. But that's beside the point as well.

The point is that gays have not had the same magnitude of struggles as blacks and women have in that a black person in the early 20th century was not allowed to sit at the same lunch counter with whites, not allowed in the same schools, to use the same water fountains, to sit at the front of the bus. A black person walked into an establishment and they were immediately 2nd class citizens. None of these things were an issue for gays b/c sexual orientation should not be a public event. I don't walk into a restaurant and announce i'm straight, so how would anyone know? Or care? The fact that most black voters in California who voted for Obama also voted against gay marriage tells me that they don't see the parallel either.

Those things you listed are not rights. Marriage is not a right. I can't marry my cousin, a 12 year old or 5 women. Therefore it is not a right to marry anyone i want. Military service is not a right, either. I was an officer in the military for 7 yrs and i can tell you that it is not a right. The most important thing in the military is unit cohesion and mission accomplishment b/c lives are at stake. The personal feelings of people are a distant second. The military is not a place for you to push your ideas of fairness, b/c the military is a machine that wins wars. It is not a lab for social experimentation. When the time comes that open service of gays does not damage unit cohesion, they should be allowed to serve openly. Your demands and cries of unfairness do not help the issue.

I'm probably wrong, but it almost sounds like you are trying to tell me that i am not allowed to believe that homosexuality is immoral. I will tell you that my interpretation of the natural law as well as my religious faith (and that of many other people) says that it is immoral, and no amount of demonstrating and marching will change that, nor will any cultural change or law. I would never be disrespectful or hateful to a gay person, nor would i ever abuse one. But i will tell you that I am a Catholic first and an American a distant second. I am perfectly able to love gay people but oppose  their behavior. That's freedom of religion, and that is an actual right listed in our founding documents (unlike marriage and militay service).

I'd be interested to hear what discrimination you refer to on your campus? FYI, telling someone that their behavior is wrong is not hateful or discriminatory.

You make an assumption that homosexuality is a natural phenomenon and that is not scientifically proven. I took a class with Dr Mike Bailey at college, one of the top sexual orientation researchers in the US. I know the science and the science is still not sure how much of SSA is nature vs nurture and what causes it. It is almost certainly part cultural, unless ancient Greeks and modern prisoners have some strange genetic predisposition towards homosexuality.

Finally, your assumption that the rest of the western world has accepted homosexuality is simply incorrect. I've lived in Europe and traveled extensively there. With a few exceptions, the cultures there are not accepting of open homosexuality. Not at all. The laws may be accepting of it, but the people are generally not. In fact in southern Europe being openly gay is grounds for beatings, as is being black in many places. I don't condone it, but it is what it is.

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Off-Topic / Re: New Fossil found
« on: June 15, 2009, 06:09:45 PM »
Quote from: "coachsparky"
Quote from: "ctc"
There is not a single "real" scientist who believe the earth is less then several billions of years old.

Right!!!  They are all just make believe and I keep them in your toy box with all your transitional fossils.   :lol:

No the point is not that the people who believe in a young earth are not make believe, it is that the scientific community does not accept them as scientist so they are not "real" scientist.  To be a "real" scientist you have to accept the results of experimentation and data collection and not reject it because some ancient text tells you something different.  So any body who uses an ancient text to decide what is correct in the real world, loses the right to claim to be a scientist, hence when they refer to themselve as scientist, they are not "real" scientist.

To be fair, our theories about the past have nothing to do with experimentation and the data collection requires a lot of assumptions. That is why Darwinism is just a theory. We really don't have proof that natural laws were the same many years ago as they are today. We assume it. In fact, most scientists who we today view as being pioneers were once viewed as cranks. So all we know is that we don't really know and can prove very little. Who knows...maybe 90% of what we view as truth today is totally wrong.

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Off-Topic / Re: Something I have noticed on this board
« on: June 15, 2009, 06:00:22 PM »
Quote from: "coachsparky"
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Perhaps we are disagreeing on the definition of "better." I am not denying that some people are better than others at certain things. People can be better at sports or critical thinking or furniture making or joke-telling or whatever than someone else. But what i am saying is that nobody is better than any other person when it comes to their worth as a human being, their intrinsic worth.

What makes you or I qualified to say that you are a better human being than, for example, red or CTC? This is the exact attitude that racists have when they declare that their race is better than another race. Hitler felt justified in doing what he did to the Jews b/c he was certain that he was better than them. The only difference here is that attitude of superiority applies to their whole race whereas yours applies to you personally, but it is really the same attitude.

You are referring then to a definition of better that does not fit into how I have discussed others then. Yes I know for a fact I am smarter than ctc and red, and many other posters on here, but no I do not believe for a second that makes me worth more as a human being. I have never believed that or stated that. What appears to be happening here is a bit of projection. I am actually flabbergasted that you could have ever come up with the idea that I think I am better as a human being than ctc or red just because they are not even close to as intelligent as I am.

I'm not sure why you are flabbergasted. You said, quote "I am better than them..." Then you added that you are also smarter. If i walk up to someone as tell them that i am better than them, what do you think they would think i mean? It is insulting to walk around talking about how you are better or smarter or whatever than another person. As a Christian, I would expect that you would try to practice the virtue of humility sometimes.

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Polls / Re: POLL: Straight gay rights activists
« on: June 15, 2009, 05:54:23 PM »
Quote from: "sgallan"
Again, trying to bring me into it. The Creator's love is demonstrated by sending his Son, one in being with Him, to die for us all. That is where the love is demonstrated. Love is desiring eternal happiness for all people.

Your values, and your statements on issues such as this, are a reflection of the religious beliefs you have, and the version of God you worship. For you to be as contemptuous as you are towards those who are SSA, or do not believe as you do, does not speak of the sort of values I want to teach my child. And frankly this is what parents do.... they give their kids values which makes them (hopefully) become good human beings. Sparky's kids for example obviously have the value of hard work (college athletes in the toughest sport), and education, among other things I am sure. With the psyche major having the value of helping people who are hurting. Those are some darn good values.

Good parents teach the values they deem important.... through education, by example, by being strict with them, by setting consistant rules, by being parents not friends, and by letting them know they are loved. All that of that has nothing to do with "forcing" my views on my child. Nor do I "keep her away" from the Christian religion - almost impossible in a nation where the majority are Christian. And she can read the Bible or go to church if she wants. I just led her away from it because it offered virtually no values we don't already have, and teaches some values and information I'd rather she not get indocrinated with.      

If you are using posts on a message board to decide what to teach and not teach your daughter i would recommend looking elsewhere. You see examples of love from how people live and interact with others, not from late night political arguments between screennames. but i'm sure you know that.

Message boards are obviously just a small part of what I use to teach. I try to use a little of almost everything. But they are useful in that people will cloak what they say in normal discourse, but when in a venue such as this, they get an opportunity to say what they really think. Even more so when they post anonymously (though not many here do). Then you get a better picture into what they think of folks who are not like they are.  

I wouldn't be so sure about the values thing. I've known hardcore atheists for life who converted in an instant. It can and does happen. And i shouldn't have to tell you that it is quite common for kids to go a different way than their parents eventually.

If the kids are taught with love, care, consistancy, and concern, they usually follow their parents. If this wasn't the case then within a generation we would not live in a Christian majority country, and those who live in Hindu dominated countries wouldn't be Hindu, and those who live in Muslim dominated countries would no longer be Muslim. Obviously this is absurd. So sure, there are always exceptions, but they are the exceptions. It would take a person such as myself, or Reni, to basically through away our values, and even a good part of our education. We would not be the people we are. I just can't imagine anything that could get us to do that. If anything what we are going through now is one of those "lifetime" intense scary unknown situations..... and there isn't even a hint of "conversion", or the desire of it, for either of us.

See, i don't look at God as a version. I see God as a Being who created and loves all people, even those that do not believe His existence. Non-believers see different versions of God as working ok for different people, b/c you see god-versions as psychological constructs that work ok for whoever has them, but don't work for those who don't. I see a single God that applies to all whether or not they believe. Essentially i am saying that my God is your God, you just don't seem to be aware of it yet.

I have no contempt for those who are attracted to same sex at all. In fact i am just as nice to them as any other person. I've been to gay bars in fact and am perfectly respectful to gay people and have no personal problem with any of them. However, if the subject comes up, i am honest with the fact that i see their behavior as wrong. Most gays respect that view, with the exception of the activists i was referring to in the post. If anything it makes me sad to see people engaging in destructive behaviors; i certainly don't hate them.

I won't comment on sparky's kids b/c i don't know them. Suffice it to say that a college degree does not make one a good person or a bad person.

Christianity does in fact offer values you don't have. The main one: love of God. Values that make one a nice person and a good citizen are great...good parents should make sure their kid learns them. Love of neighbor is the #2 Commandment for Christians. Hate for neighbor and love of God is in fact impossible, even though some Christians try it.

However the #1 value is love of God. Love of creator is always more valuable than love of creatures, although love of others stems from true love of God. Another main teaching is that we are not worthy of eternity, no matter how good we claim to be in life. We are all imperfect and need God's forgiveness. Non-believers as well, but you don't know God so you cannot ask for it.

So what does God do with non-believers who live good lives and love others, but truly cannot believe? I would like to think He has mercy on them like He has mercy on believers. Exactly how or if that comes about is above my pay grade. All i know is that my belief and the Catholic belief is that all humans are given the grace necessary to be saved, they just must in some way shape or form accept it, and God is 100% fair. So what I say or you say about our values is really irrelevant b/c only God is qualified to judge.

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It is not bigoted to point out the truth: homosexuality is a disordered lifestyle not befitting the dignity of humans. However, it is not any more disordered than a lot of lifestyles practiced by straight people. Any promiscuity is undignified, it just happens that statistically gay men have more sex partners than straight men.

Just b/c the gay activists have people such as yourself completely fooled doesn't mean the rest of us need to cowtow to your demands.

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That is completely incorrect. Gay men are much more likely than straight men to go after young teens. Look at the Catholic priest scandal...far more gay priests molested teen boys than straight priests molested teen girls.

Granted, the majority of gays do not molest anyone, but many do. Check out the kind folks at NAMBLA for evidence.

Really all that is secondary to the discussion anyway.

The whole point of my post is that the radical gay groups have an agenda that goes beyond "civil rights." They want to force everyone in society to agree that their behavior is ok, and they demonize people who disagree with them. You should know this well b/c you also demonize those who disagree.

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Off-Topic / Re: Something I have noticed on this board
« on: June 15, 2009, 05:06:36 PM »
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One other thing I noticed is there really isn't a lot of respect for other's opinions.  It is subtle in the tone of replies and posts, but it is there.

Respect for others' opinions can only go so far. When the particular opinion is so devoid of fact and reeks of ignorance (for example most of sparky's posts) that it deserves no respect, it's hard.

For example, can you really ask people to respect the opinion of holocaust deniers and people who think we should still lynch black people? There are certain opinions that simply don't deserve respect.

That said, you should certainly respect the person themselves. People should always be loved and respected but not always their behavior or opinions.

That's why it is ok to call opinions stupid and ridiculous, but not the people themselves. Another lesson sparky should learn.

Oddly enough usnlt, I feel exactly the same about your so called opinions.  I believe the are entirely and utterly devoid of fact and reek of ignorance hence deserve no respec.

That's fine but the problem is that you think you are better than others. You said in your last post in fact that you act better than people you are better than, such as Red and CTC. Isn't the whole philosophical point of socialism that no person is better than another?

I am better than others, certainly smarter and better than red or ctc.  Some others while I disagree with them, I am clearly not better than, say viratas and good ole Ray fall in that category.  You are better than some people and you know I am right.  And no the whole philosophical viewpoint of socialism is not that people are not better intellectually, physically or what ever way then others but that just because they are better does not mean that they should deserve a high quality of life but that all people deserve a minimum sustenance level.

Perhaps we are disagreeing on the definition of "better." I am not denying that some people are better than others at certain things. People can be better at sports or critical thinking or furniture making or joke-telling or whatever than someone else. But what i am saying is that nobody is better than any other person when it comes to their worth as a human being, their intrinsic worth.

What makes you or I qualified to say that you are a better human being than, for example, red or CTC? This is the exact attitude that racists have when they declare that their race is better than another race. Hitler felt justified in doing what he did to the Jews b/c he was certain that he was better than them. The only difference here is that attitude of superiority applies to their whole race whereas yours applies to you personally, but it is really the same attitude.

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