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#1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
« on: December 26, 2011, 07:48:06 PM »
Here are the potential line-ups and match-ups:

125- #3 Matt McDonough (Iowa) vs #10 Jon Morrison (OSU)
133- #2 Tony Ramos (Iowa) vs #1 Jordan Oliver (OSU)
141- #1 Montell Marion (Iowa) vs #13 Josh Kindig (OSU)
149- Mark Ballewg (Iowa) vs #2 Jamal Parks (OSU)
157- #2 Derek St. John (Iowa) vs #18 Albert White (OSU)
165- #14 Mike Evans (Iowa) vs #19 Dallas Bailey (OSU)
174- #8 Ethen Lofthouse (Iowa) vs Chris McNeil (OSU)
184- Vinnie Wagner (Iowa) vs #2 Chris Perry (OSU)
197- #8 Grant Gambrall/Tomas Lira (Iowa) vs #5 Cayle Byers (OSU)
285- #9 Bobby Telford (Iowa) vs #2 Alan Gelogaev (OSU)

I just read the small story on flo with the same title as this post and i thought it might be interesting to put some thought into this upcoming matchup as well as hear the views of other knowledgeable, intelligent fans. The idiots weed themselves out/ show their lack of objectivity and bias either way by their inability to admit fault or except the opinion of others. So, that being said, here we go.

125 - obviously Iowa is favored here, the only question is how badly can McDonough beat Morrison. I just thought, and I wonder if others suffer the same way, the last time I saw McDonough,he was getting schooled by Robles. I only bring that up because sometimes, when the last time we see someone wrestle, we base future performance on most recent results. I could see how someone might remember that match and say that Morrison could pull of an upset. I guess he could, but only if McDonough doesn't show up. Morrison, in my opinion, is good enough to keep a score close with almost anyone on a good night. I dont think he is necessarily a top 10 guy on a consistent basis. He needs to have a good night and at the very least, wrestle good enough to avoid giving up bonus points.

133 - I said in a earlier post that people have used Oliver’s close match at all stars as a basis for an opinion that the other guys are close to him. I think this match will be a real eye opener to find out how good Ramos is and how big the gap is, if any, between Oliver and everyone else. If I were on the Iowa staff, I would recommend that Ramos keep a frantic pace, stay in good position, make Oliver make a mistake and attack out of position. I have a feeling what is going to happen is Oliver is going to take him down a few times and pin him. A pin is huge for osu here, any bonus points for that matter.

141 - I said in another topic I thought Kindig was a good, tough wrestler in a weight class full of really good, really tough wrestlers. When I think about how Maple destroyed Kindig, then think, "Marion is better than Maple", I feel like Osu is in real damager of giving up big bonus here. Osu's most realistic shot here is either Marion doesn’t wrestle or gets hurt.

149 - parks should get bonus points here, but what is more likely to happen is he either wins a close one or losses a close one.

157 - I haven't seen Iowa wrestle here, but based on what ive seen of white, I give Iowa the advantage. I do think that white wrestles to his level of competition, so if he won a close one it would be a pleasant surprise.

165 - flip a coin...I haven’t seen Iowa here, so this isn't based on fact, only fear as someone who hates this type of match, but I just hope this isn’t two guys trying not to lose.

174 - A good test for OSU here, lofthouse is favored to me, although I couldn’t say by how much. I like McNeil, he’s a good kid, good student, never gets in trouble, etc. If he were to win here it would be huge based on the fact that he hasn’t presented as a top 10 wrestler.

184 - If Perry continues to improve as much as he already has this season, OSU could score bonus points here. I think Iowa needs a big match to avoid bonus.

197 - I think Byers is top 5 in the country, and he could win the NCAA tournament this year. I think Iowa is in danger of giving up bonus here.

Hwt - Z has wrestled really well so far. I know he just lost to Hanke, and Im sorry if its going to come across as me making excuses for the loss, because in a way, it is. He didn’t look very good offensively, Hanke neutralized his upper body stuff and he had several failed/ near miss attacks. My hang up on the loss is the stall calls despite the fact that both guys seemed to wrestle the same way the entire match. I dont understand the two calls in the last minute to tie the score. This all being said, z destroyed nelson and cooper, who are both ranked higher than Telford. I dont think z will get a pin, but bonus points would not surprise me.

I see this dual split 5 matches to 5, bonus and upsets will decide this one. I think OSU has more potential for bonus in their 5 matches than Iowa has in theirs. I’m picking OSU.

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Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2011, 09:04:07 PM »
Nice read. Thanks. Is Marion a definite go or no go yet?
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Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2011, 10:07:43 PM »
Marion's status hasn't changed per the AD Barta.  Unfortunately St. John probably won't participate due to the injury sustained in the UNI dual.
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Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2011, 01:14:51 AM »
If St John is out, I say Ok St wins for sure. I hope he is ready by then.
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Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2011, 02:40:15 AM »
If St John is out, I say Ok St wins for sure. I hope he is ready by then.

I don't think Albert WHite is a lock over Nick Moore (who would presumably start there) or even Mike Kelly.

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Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2011, 05:39:33 AM »
125 - Morrison has not shown that he is back to the level he acheived last year before the injury.  However, because of the early loss to Rupp, he hasn't gotten a lot of chances to show improvement.  It probably doesn't matter here as avoiding bonus is about all Cowboy fans can hope for.  I say McD gets 4.  4-0 Iowa

133 - It will be interesting to see what gameplan Ramos tries.  The one that makes the most sense, push the pace and test Oliver's conditioning, is also the one most likely to give up bonus points.  Of course, I still expect that to be the idea as it seems like his best chance to win.  I can't wait for this match.  I see a lot of points, the only question is if they go up on both sides or if Oliver can set himself apart.  The fall is always a possibility, but for now I'm going with a shoot-out victory for Oliver by 3 or 4 points.  If he doesn't get bonus its bad for OSU.  4-3 Iowa

141 - I think tim has it right.  Kindig is a good wrestler that just isn't as good as guys like Maple, Marion, etc.  I do think Kindig is having weight issues which he better have sorted out by this match.  I've got Marion by major.  8-3 Iowa

149 - He won't get bonus, but he won't lose either.  Parks by decision.  8-6 Iowa

157 - DSJ would win and probably get a major here, but with him out it takes bonus off the table and provides Albert with a chance to swing the dual.  I've been dissapointed with White this year, but he is talented and I expect him to beat Moore or Kelly.  I don't know enough about Moore or Kelly to know if they are really good on top, but thats their best chance to win here.  I'll say Albert by decision in a huge, key match.  9-8 OSU.

165 - Bailey showed signs of life in Reno, but I can't expect him to beat anyone good right now.  Evans by dec.  11-9 Iowa.

174 - Its all been said about McNeil.  Lofthouse by decision and it could be more.  14-9 Iowa

184 - Perry's improvement this season has been mostly in controlling matches, being impossible to score on and creating points off of small mistakes.  Unless Wagner gets overly aggressive, I don't see bonus here.  14-12 Iowa

197 - This is a match that might be different in my eyes after Midlands, but I think Byers is good for a solid win.  I don't know what to expect if Rosholt is given the nod.  15-14 OSU.

HWT - Another match that could change depending on how Telford does at Midlands.  I'm picking Z against anyone despite the loss at Reno, but Telford has a chance this week to make a name for himself.  18-14 OSU

 OSU needs Oliver or Z to find a fall because otherwise they have no margin for error.  Without DSJ in the line-up I see the Cowboys as a favorite, but Iowa certainly has chances to swing it their way. 

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Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2011, 09:45:31 AM »
I say JO's pin streak is ended, but he still gets 6 team pts as Tyler Clark is disq for stalling.
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Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2011, 09:48:55 AM »
I say JO's pin streak is ended, but he still gets 6 team pts as Tyler Clark is disq for stalling.

No DQs for stalling anymore.

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Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2011, 12:19:45 PM »
I say JO's pin streak is ended, but he still gets 6 team pts as Tyler Clark is disq for stalling.

No DQs for stalling anymore.

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Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2011, 12:37:15 PM »
I say JO's pin streak is ended, but he still gets 6 team pts as Tyler Clark is disq for stalling.

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Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2011, 12:50:34 PM »
I say JO's pin streak is ended, but he still gets 6 team pts as Tyler Clark is disq for stalling.

No DQs for stalling anymore.

What's the new rule Okie?

You can get dinged for a point as many times as the ref can raise the fist.  I can't wait for the first guy who gets teched without getting scored on.  It could happen in CHA.

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Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2011, 12:52:46 PM »
I say JO's pin streak is ended, but he still gets 6 team pts as Tyler Clark is disq for stalling.

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Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2011, 01:13:29 PM »
I say JO's pin streak is ended, but he still gets 6 team pts as Tyler Clark is disq for stalling.

No DQs for stalling anymore.

What's the new rule Okie?

You can get dinged for a point as many times as the ref can raise the fist.  I can't wait for the first guy who gets teched without getting scored on.  It could happen in CHA.

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Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2011, 03:41:08 PM »
If Clark wins Midlands do they still start Ramos?  Or if you want to save team points isn't Clark  the go to guy?
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Re: #1 Iowa vs #2 Oklahoma State on January 7
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2011, 03:43:22 PM »
If Clark wins Midlands do they still start Ramos?  Or if you want to save team points isn't Clark  the go to guy?

If Clark wins Midlands maybe its an issue, but if Ramos wins and is #2 you can't sit him to save team points.  You have to give him a shot at #1.