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HS vs. College Out of Bounds
« on: July 22, 2013, 02:11:35 PM »
In case anyone is interested.  I did this awhile ago but just updated it.

http://matref0.tripod.com/Articles/hsncaa_inbounds.pdf

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Re: HS vs. College Out of Bounds
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2013, 09:19:24 PM »
Question for HS.

Wrestler A has wrestler B on his back. Wrestler A is out of bounds. Wrestler B has one shoulder on the mat inbounds and the other shoulder is off the mat but out of bounds. Does wrestling continue or is it stopped?
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Re: HS vs. College Out of Bounds
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2013, 05:18:54 PM »
That's a good question. I've seen it called both ways. And depending on the situation, I either agreed or disagreed. I'm a homer.
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Re: HS vs. College Out of Bounds
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2013, 10:12:42 PM »
Question for HS.

Wrestler A has wrestler B on his back. Wrestler A is out of bounds. Wrestler B has one shoulder on the mat inbounds and the other shoulder is off the mat but out of bounds. Does wrestling continue or is it stopped?

I believe wrestler A is supposed to try and bring him back in bounds or they get called out of bounds after a certain amount of time.
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Re: HS vs. College Out of Bounds
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2013, 12:35:40 AM »
Stop wrestling. Wrestler A is out of bounds and wrestler B has at least one supporting point out.
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Re: HS vs. College Out of Bounds
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2013, 02:50:35 PM »
Stop wrestling. Wrestler A is out of bounds and wrestler B has at least one supporting point out.

OK, so supporting points are still supporting points regardless of whether they are supporting weight at the time. For out of bounds purposes, the out of bounds line forms a "cylinder".

Similar situation when wrestler A takes down wrestler B and wrestler B is completely out of bounds and wrestler A has his feet on the mat inbounds and his knees are off the mat. Continue wrestling if wrestler A's knees are within the "cylinder" and stop wrestling if the knees are outside the cylinder. Doesn't matter if the knees are touching the mat or not. They are still the supporting parts.
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Re: HS vs. College Out of Bounds
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2013, 09:53:45 AM »
Stop wrestling. Wrestler A is out of bounds and wrestler B has at least one supporting point out.

OK, so supporting points are still supporting points regardless of whether they are supporting weight at the time. For out of bounds purposes, the out of bounds line forms a "cylinder".

Similar situation when wrestler A takes down wrestler B and wrestler B is completely out of bounds and wrestler A has his feet on the mat inbounds and his knees are off the mat. Continue wrestling if wrestler A's knees are within the "cylinder" and stop wrestling if the knees are outside the cylinder. Doesn't matter if the knees are touching the mat or not. They are still the supporting parts.

Agree with Akin, this is an of bounds situation (High School) and the match shall be stopped.

In the other scenario, there is no cylinder in high school and toes are not supporting points.  What this rule allows is an opportunity or not to establish control.  If A takes down B and B is out of bounds and the only thing inbounds is A's toes, there is either control or not at that instance.  A does not get the opportunity to gain control, it is either there or not or 2 takedown or nothing.  Now if the knees are in bounds, the knees are considered supporting points and A can work to establish control if he hasn't secured it.

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Re: HS vs. College Out of Bounds
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2013, 07:47:40 PM »
What he said.   ;D
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Re: HS vs. College Out of Bounds
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2013, 07:37:20 AM »
Stop wrestling. Wrestler A is out of bounds and wrestler B has at least one supporting point out.

OK, so supporting points are still supporting points regardless of whether they are supporting weight at the time. For out of bounds purposes, the out of bounds line forms a "cylinder".

Similar situation when wrestler A takes down wrestler B and wrestler B is completely out of bounds and wrestler A has his feet on the mat inbounds and his knees are off the mat. Continue wrestling if wrestler A's knees are within the "cylinder" and stop wrestling if the knees are outside the cylinder. Doesn't matter if the knees are touching the mat or not. They are still the supporting parts.

Agree with Akin, this is an of bounds situation (High School) and the match shall be stopped.

In the other scenario, there is no cylinder in high school and toes are not supporting points.  What this rule allows is an opportunity or not to establish control.  If A takes down B and B is out of bounds and the only thing inbounds is A's toes, there is either control or not at that instance.  A does not get the opportunity to gain control, it is either there or not or 2 takedown or nothing.  Now if the knees are in bounds, the knees are considered supporting points and A can work to establish control if he hasn't secured it.

What I'm saying is that you'd continue wrestling if the knees for wrestler A are inbounds, even though they are off the mat. If the toes are the only thing inbounds, then wrestling is stopped immediately.
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