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Three Team Race next year?
« on: March 22, 2015, 04:17:48 PM »
As of right now I see next year's title to be a three team race between Ohio State, Penn State, and Oklahoma State with Iowa and Cornell not far behind

Ohio State's Lineup next year

125- Nathan Tomasello
133- Ke-shawn Hayes/Johnni DiJulius
141- Johnni DiJulius/Ke-shawn Hayes
149- Hunter Stieber
157- Micah Jordan
165- Bo Jordan/????
174- Mark Martin/Bo Jordan
184- Kenny Courts/Mark Martin
197- Kyle Snyder
285- Nick Tavanello

Four solid high AA threats (two retuning National Finalists) with a couple other potential AA's thrown in. Bo Jordan can create a question mark in the lineup if he doesn't go 165 again


Penn State's lineup next year

125- Nico Megaludis
133- Jordan Conaway/Jimmy Gulibon
141- Jimmy Gulibon/Zain Retherford
149- Zain Retherford/Kade Moss
157- Jason Nolf
165- Garrett Hammond
174- Bo Nickal
184- Matthew McCutcheon
197- Morgan McIntosh
285- Jimmy Lawson

The big question for Penn State is how to sort out the talent at the lower weights, I don't think Nico has a 133 frame but that means Conaway or Gulibon may have to either give up some weight or miss the lineup. The potential in this lineup is terrifying with I'd say about 5-6 potential high AA's and everyone else in the lineup having AA potential.

Oklahoma State's lineup next year

125- Eddie Klimara
133- Gary Wayne Harding
141- Dean Heil
149- Anthony Collica
157- Ryan Blees/Chance Marstellar/Chandler Rogers
165- Alex Dieringer/Chance Marstellar
174- Kyle Crutchmer/Alex Dieringer
184- Nolan Boyd/Kyle Crutchmer
197- Austin Schafer/Nolan Boyd
285- Austin Marsden

The question mark here is what to do with Chance Marstellar, he has shown he can't be successful at 157 but going 165 requires established title threats Dieringer and Crutchmer (yes Crutchmer is a title threat next year) to move up a weight. But Crutchmer and Dieringer have the muscle to move up a weight but would they be as dominant (well would Dieringer, Crutchmer always wins or loses by one). Depending on how the Marstellar situation plays out the Cowboys are looking at 6-7 high AA threats and 3-4 people who could win matches and maybe AA with a good draw.
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Re: Three Team Race next year?
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2015, 04:24:41 PM »
Does anyone else hear "Kate Moss" when the commentators say Kade?
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Re: Three Team Race next year?
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2015, 04:59:56 PM »
My sleeper for next year is Virginia Tech.

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Re: Three Team Race next year?
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2015, 05:39:05 PM »
Iowa
125 - 4th finish - has split tOSU
133 - finalist
141 - nothing now
149 - 4th place (2 seniors ahead gone)
157 - Grothus bulks up (my prediction)
165 - Paddock - AA shot
174 - clears out - Meyer already proven
184 - Brooks - right there
197 - Burak - AA right there
Hvy - wait and see

That is 8 very good wrestlers as a nucleus.  I'm surprised you don't consider them a real threat.
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Re: Three Team Race next year?
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2015, 05:43:24 PM »
Penn State
Penn State's lineup next year

125- Nico Megaludis
133- Jordan Conaway/Jimmy Gulibon
141- Jimmy Gulibon/Zain Retherford
149- Zain Retherford/Kade Moss
157- Jason Nolf
165- Garrett Hammond
174- Bo Nickal
184- Matthew McCutcheon
197- Morgan McIntosh
]285- Jimmy Lawson


285- Jimmy Lawson Nick Nevills -  Lawson and Gingrich are seniors.  FYI Nevillis out wrestled both of them at the Scuffle.

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Re: Three Team Race next year?
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2015, 05:44:14 PM »
PSU/tOSU top 2.  After that you have Iowa AND THEN Oklahoma State.  If it isn't PSU or tOSU then Iowa is the most likely to knock one of them off, not Okie State.

125 - Gilman 1-5
133 - Clark - 1-3, muscle up over the summer
141 - How will Gross do?  I don't know, maybe a push with Dziewa?
149 - Sorensen - 1-3
157 - Grothus - ?? low AA perhaps similar to what he did at 149 last year, more points than the 0 that Kelly got us
165 - Paddock - Can't do worse than the 0 points Moore earned
174 - Meyer - 4-8
184 - Brooks - 3-8
197 - Burak - 1-6
285 - Stoll - ?? Big time recruit, but I really haven't been following him.  A lot of top flight seniors graduating this year, but still some tough guys in Coon, Gwiz, etc.   Doubt he gives us what Telford got us this year.
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Re: Three Team Race next year?
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2015, 06:01:37 PM »
Stoll was unimpressive at midlands. If brewer is at 33 again clark better pray.

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Re: Three Team Race next year?
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2015, 06:03:40 PM »
Penn State
Penn State's lineup next year

125- Nico Megaludis
133- Jordan Conaway/Jimmy Gulibon
141- Jimmy Gulibon/Zain Retherford
149- Zain Retherford/Kade Moss
157- Jason Nolf
165- Garrett Hammond
174- Bo Nickal
184- Matthew McCutcheon
197- Morgan McIntosh
]285- Jimmy Lawson


285- Jimmy Lawson Nick Nevills -  Lawson and Gingrich are seniors.  FYI Nevillis out wrestled both of them at the Scuffle.

My mistake thanks for the correction, and you're right Nevills looked great at Scuffle
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Re: Three Team Race next year?
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2015, 06:13:47 PM »
PSU/tOSU top 2.  After that you have Iowa AND THEN Oklahoma State.  If it isn't PSU or tOSU then Iowa is the most likely to knock one of them off, not Okie State.

125 - Gilman 1-5
133 - Clark - 1-3, muscle up over the summer
141 - How will Gross do?  I don't know, maybe a push with Dziewa?
149 - Sorensen - 1-3
157 - Grothus - ?? low AA perhaps similar to what he did at 149 last year, more points than the 0 that Kelly got us
165 - Paddock - Can't do worse than the 0 points Moore earned
174 - Meyer - 4-8
184 - Brooks - 3-8
197 - Burak - 1-6
285 - Stoll - ?? Big time recruit, but I really haven't been following him.  A lot of top flight seniors graduating this year, but still some tough guys in Coon, Gwiz, etc.   Doubt he gives us what Telford got us this year.

You're sleeping on Oklahoma State bad

125- Klimara will most likely get 5th but is easily capable of  beating the guys above him
133- Harding improved a lot after getting his redshirt pulled, he could maybe slip into 7th or 8th but I figure about the same result from him next year, 2-3 wins
141- Heil will contend for the title
149- Collica will place in the Top 6, you have to remember Kindig and his 0 points is the only person Oklahoma State graduates
157- ????, probably get one maybe two wins at nationals if its Blees
165- Assuming Dieringer we will get bonus points through the finals, Marstellar would get top 3
174- Crutchmer has a really good argument for ranked first next year and should make the finals, and if Dieringer it's an easy title just not as much bonus
184- Boyd could slip into 7th or 8th if not higher depending on which Boyd shows up, Crutchmer could make top 6 pretty easy
197- Schafer or Boyd gets about two wins at nationals
285- Honestly I think Marsden got screwed a bit at nationals by something I've seen called both ways, I think it's a takedown but I've seen it called "no chance for reaction time" before. Marsden at his best gets top 3.

Again I make the point the only person who is graduating is Kindig who scored 0 points at nationals. Ohio State really only loses Stieber, but that is still a huge loss. Penn State probably has the most talent but most of their guys are still kind of unproven outside of their amazing performance at the Scuffle. Iowa graduates two solid seniors in Telford and Evans, an inconsistent one in Dziewa, and their upcoming guys haven't impressed me like Penn State's did.
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Re: Three Team Race next year?
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2015, 06:30:01 PM »
I think PSU gets back on top next year.

Here's a question, let's talk about which non-Big10 or Big12 team could crack top 10 next year.
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Re: Three Team Race next year?
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2015, 06:54:16 PM »
I think PSU gets back on top next year.

Here's a question, let's talk about which non-Big10 or Big12 team could crack top 10 next year.

Cornell is losing Villalonga...thats it.

Edinboro losses its three big guns.

Missouri loses Waters and Houdashelt, keeps Mayes and Cox

Michigan will move up in the mix, only Huntley takes the exit ramp.

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Re: Three Team Race next year?
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2015, 07:03:20 PM »
125- Klimara will most likely get 5th but is easily capable of  beating the guys above him  GILMAN MAJORED THIS KID
133- Harding improved a lot after getting his redshirt pulled, he could maybe slip into 7th or 8th but I figure about the same result from him next year, 2-3 wins  big advantage Iowa
141- Heil will contend for the title  big advantage OSU
149- Collica will place in the Top 6, you have to remember Kindig and his 0 points is the only person Oklahoma State graduates  advantage Iowa
157- ????, probably get one maybe two wins at nationals if its Blees  advantage Iowa
165- Assuming Dieringer we will get bonus points through the finals, Marstellar would get top 3  no need to point out the OSU advantage
174- Crutchmer has a really good argument for ranked first next year and should make the finals, and if Dieringer it's an easy title just not as much bonus  Have you heard of Alex Meyer?  He stepped in when Evans couldn't go.  Beat some guys like Blaise Butler, Zac Brunson, and... OH YEAH - Kyle Crutchmer
184- Boyd could slip into 7th or 8th if not higher depending on which Boyd shows up, Crutchmer could make top 6 pretty easy I see advantage Iowa here as well
197- Schafer or Boyd gets about two wins at nationals advantage Iowa
285- Honestly I think Marsden got screwed a bit at nationals by something I've seen called both ways, I think it's a takedown but I've seen it called "no chance for reaction time" before. Marsden at his best gets top 3. advantage OSU

Dieringer is the only sure thing for either team to score boat loads of points on his way to a title, but I see Iowa with more potential points.
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Re: Three Team Race next year?
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2015, 08:26:18 PM »
Regarding Marstellar "showing he can't compete at 157"....didn't he make it to the Scuffle semifinals at 157 this year wrestling unattached? Seems that would indicate he CAN compete at 157.
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Re: Three Team Race next year?
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2015, 08:27:38 PM »
125- Klimara will most likely get 5th but is easily capable of  beating the guys above him  GILMAN MAJORED THIS KID
133- Harding improved a lot after getting his redshirt pulled, he could maybe slip into 7th or 8th but I figure about the same result from him next year, 2-3 wins  big advantage Iowa
141- Heil will contend for the title  big advantage OSU
149- Collica will place in the Top 6, you have to remember Kindig and his 0 points is the only person Oklahoma State graduates  advantage Iowa
157- ????, probably get one maybe two wins at nationals if its Blees  advantage Iowa
165- Assuming Dieringer we will get bonus points through the finals, Marstellar would get top 3  no need to point out the OSU advantage
174- Crutchmer has a really good argument for ranked first next year and should make the finals, and if Dieringer it's an easy title just not as much bonus  Have you heard of Alex Meyer?  He stepped in when Evans couldn't go.  Beat some guys like Blaise Butler, Zac Brunson, and... OH YEAH - Kyle Crutchmer
184- Boyd could slip into 7th or 8th if not higher depending on which Boyd shows up, Crutchmer could make top 6 pretty easy I see advantage Iowa here as well
197- Schafer or Boyd gets about two wins at nationals advantage Iowa
285- Honestly I think Marsden got screwed a bit at nationals by something I've seen called both ways, I think it's a takedown but I've seen it called "no chance for reaction time" before. Marsden at his best gets top 3. advantage OSU

Dieringer is the only sure thing for either team to score boat loads of points on his way to a title, but I see Iowa with more potential points.

And Crutchmer was beating Tyler Wilps before getting hurt at Scuffle, Crutchmer wins and loses every match by one or two points no matter who he is wrestling.

Dual wise Iowa could win but it would be close. But I don't think Iowa will score higher at the NCAA tournament, they don't have any guaranteed champions and only Clark and Sorenson could make the finals. I think Thomas Gilman is a great wrestler but next year at 125 will put him behind Megaludis, Garrett, and Tomasello and in the same company as Dance, Moisey, Klimara, Youtsey, etc.

Regarding Marstellar "showing he can't compete at 157"....didn't he make it to the Scuffle semifinals at 157 this year wrestling unattached? Seems that would indicate he CAN compete at 157.

Pretty sure that was at 165, he lost to Nick Sulzer in the semifinals
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Re: Three Team Race next year?
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2015, 11:09:57 PM »
Okie State is returning all 66 points they scored this year from those 8 wrestlers.  Iowa is returning 58.5 points from the 5 wrestlers that weren't seniors.  I think Gilman and Clark score about the same next year.  Sorensen scores more, Brooks scores more, and Burak scores more.  141 I think Gross/Carton could potentially score the 3 that Dziewa scored.  At 157 and 165 we score more at both.  At 174 I think Meyer scores more than the 9 points Evans leaves behind.  Telford is the only one I think we don't replace.  Overall Iowa scores at least 10 more points next year, which isn't enough to win it, but still enough to stay in the top 3.  The core you are returning absolutely improves on that 66 points, but how much?  Like I said, I just see Iowa as slightly better than Okie State next year.  It's tOSU/PSU at the top, then Iowa and Okie State.  Is Collica going to be able to stay at 149 all year?  Is Marstellar then going to be able to make 157, and is he as good as he was hyped to be?  If they pull it together then yeah they are a threat, just like Iowa is a threat if things fall in place, but right now PSU and tOSU seem to have too much fire power at the top.  We'll see.
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