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Does ISIS pose a threat to American security in the homeland?

Yes
10 (62.5%)
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Offline FalconWrestlingKY

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Re: ISIS
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2015, 10:27:47 PM »
Evil doesn't exist in a vacuum. The Cartels are a serious threat, as is ISIS.

Could ISIS attack the United States? yes. Would it be an effective attack? that's a lot murkier.

Interestingly enough the main source of income for both the Cartels and ISIS is the drug trade
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Re: ISIS
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2015, 11:26:26 PM »
ISIS is an enemy because they proclaim it to be so. If you had asked if they pose a GRAVE threat, I would have said no rather than yes.

Not hearing the narrative so much anymore that they are not really Muslim. That's good, because if the majority of the Muslim street thinks they are fellow muslims (especially Sunnis), then it doesn't really matter what a few talking heads say on American television.

Why do government officials steadfastly call it ISIL?

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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2015, 06:32:08 AM »
ISIS is an enemy because they proclaim it to be so. If you had asked if they pose a GRAVE threat, I would have said no rather than yes.

Not hearing the narrative so much anymore that they are not really Muslim. That's good, because if the majority of the Muslim street thinks they are fellow muslims (especially Sunnis), then it doesn't really matter what a few talking heads say on American television.

Why do government officials steadfastly call it ISIL?

Here is one thought: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Blogs/Peek-POV/2014/06/23/Obamas-Use-ISIL-Not-ISIS-Tells-Another-Story
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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2015, 07:29:28 PM »
ISIS is an enemy because they proclaim it to be so. If you had asked if they pose a GRAVE threat, I would have said no rather than yes.

Not hearing the narrative so much anymore that they are not really Muslim. That's good, because if the majority of the Muslim street thinks they are fellow muslims (especially Sunnis), then it doesn't really matter what a few talking heads say on American television.

Why do government officials steadfastly call it ISIL?

Here is one thought: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Blogs/Peek-POV/2014/06/23/Obamas-Use-ISIL-Not-ISIS-Tells-Another-Story

To hear questioners, in real time discourse, use the word ISIS in a question, and then hear an immediate answer crafted with the word "ISIL", in response, every time, is extremely weird. It's almost insulting.

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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2015, 06:28:07 AM »
ISIS is an enemy because they proclaim it to be so. If you had asked if they pose a GRAVE threat, I would have said no rather than yes.

Not hearing the narrative so much anymore that they are not really Muslim. That's good, because if the majority of the Muslim street thinks they are fellow muslims (especially Sunnis), then it doesn't really matter what a few talking heads say on American television.

Why do government officials steadfastly call it ISIL?

Here is one thought: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Blogs/Peek-POV/2014/06/23/Obamas-Use-ISIL-Not-ISIS-Tells-Another-Story

To hear questioners, in real time discourse, use the word ISIS in a question, and then hear an immediate answer crafted with the word "ISIL", in response, every time, is extremely weird. It's almost insulting.
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Re: ISIS
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2015, 03:21:52 PM »
I'm about 100 times more concerned with getting shot by a cop than getting shot by a terrorist.

You guys out there worried about terrorists...grow a damn backbone.
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« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2015, 06:02:57 PM »
I'm about 100 times more concerned with getting shot by a cop than getting shot by a terrorist.

You guys out there worried about terrorists. cops..grow a damn backbone.
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Re: ISIS
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2015, 09:09:25 PM »
I'm about 100 times more concerned with getting shot by a cop than getting shot by a terrorist.

You guys out there worried about terrorists. cops..grow a damn backbone.
FIFY  ;)

Which has killed more Americans this year...ISIS or COPS?

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« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2015, 09:24:57 PM »
I'm about 100 times more concerned with getting shot by a cop than getting shot by a terrorist.


I would be too if I  was you.
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Re: ISIS
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2015, 09:39:52 PM »
In March alone over 111 Americans were killed by police. ISIS has killed 4 Americans since last summer, all of them in ISIS areas (and at least one of them was fighting against ISIS in armed conflict). It could be higher than 4 by now (article was from February).  28 times as many victims in 1/12 the time....well, shows a kill rate of 336 to 1 (cops over ISIS).

Yeah, I'm clearly crazy thinking COPS are a bigger threat to Americans.....

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/american-cops-killed-people-month-march-uk-entire-20th-century/

http://www.syracuse.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/02/kayla_mueller_marks_fourth_american_killed_by_isis.html
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Re: ISIS
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2015, 09:11:40 AM »
In March alone over 111 Americans were killed by police. ISIS has killed 4 Americans since last summer, all of them in ISIS areas (and at least one of them was fighting against ISIS in armed conflict). It could be higher than 4 by now (article was from February).  28 times as many victims in 1/12 the time....well, shows a kill rate of 336 to 1 (cops over ISIS).

Yeah, I'm clearly crazy thinking COPS are a bigger threat to Americans.....

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/american-cops-killed-people-month-march-uk-entire-20th-century/

http://www.syracuse.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/02/kayla_mueller_marks_fourth_american_killed_by_isis.html

ISIS has been involved in policing, by default, during the day-to-day administration of their "territory".  How many of their "countrymen" have they, the ISIS police, killed?

At any rate, while ISIS is a limited threat to USA citizens, western powers, including the USA, remain a bigger threat to ISIS "citizens".

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« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2015, 09:18:22 AM »
In March alone over 111 Americans were killed by police. ISIS has killed 4 Americans since last summer, all of them in ISIS areas (and at least one of them was fighting against ISIS in armed conflict). It could be higher than 4 by now (article was from February).  28 times as many victims in 1/12 the time....well, shows a kill rate of 336 to 1 (cops over ISIS).

Yeah, I'm clearly crazy thinking COPS are a bigger threat to Americans.....

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/american-cops-killed-people-month-march-uk-entire-20th-century/

http://www.syracuse.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/02/kayla_mueller_marks_fourth_american_killed_by_isis.html

ISIS has been involved in policing, by default, during the day-to-day administration of their "territory".  How many of their "countrymen" have they, the ISIS police, killed?

At any rate, while ISIS is a limited threat to USA citizens, western powers, including the USA, remain a bigger threat to ISIS "citizens".

Even then ISIS has killed a lot fewer Iraqis than we have :D
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Re: ISIS
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2015, 11:38:37 AM »
In March alone over 111 Americans were killed by police. ISIS has killed 4 Americans since last summer, all of them in ISIS areas (and at least one of them was fighting against ISIS in armed conflict). It could be higher than 4 by now (article was from February).  28 times as many victims in 1/12 the time....well, shows a kill rate of 336 to 1 (cops over ISIS).

Yeah, I'm clearly crazy thinking COPS are a bigger threat to Americans.....

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/american-cops-killed-people-month-march-uk-entire-20th-century/

http://www.syracuse.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/02/kayla_mueller_marks_fourth_american_killed_by_isis.html

ISIS has been involved in policing, by default, during the day-to-day administration of their "territory".  How many of their "countrymen" have they, the ISIS police, killed?

At any rate, while ISIS is a limited threat to USA citizens, western powers, including the USA, remain a bigger threat to ISIS "citizens".

Even then ISIS has killed a lot fewer Iraqis than we have :D

If you were in Baltimore, you should be generally fearful of being shot.  128 Homicides so far, many from shooting.  http://chamspage.blogspot.com/2014/12/2015-baltimore-city-homicidesmurders.html

6 people killed by police in Baltimore, perhaps includes the whole county.  http://killedbypolice.net/   According to the first site, only Freddie Gray has been killed by police within Baltimore, so perhaps the other five are in the county.  Further looking into it,  Freddie Gray was in Baltimore, Jason Hendrix, sought for 3 murders in KY shot in Essex in Baltimore county, dropped a knife wielding guy in Baltimore county, and another knife wielder in the city of Baltimore.  So that is 2 killed by police in Baltimore, 2 killed in Baltimore county. 

I guess I would be more worried just living in Baltimore than I would be worried about the police. 

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Re: ISIS
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2015, 02:37:41 PM »
In March alone over 111 Americans were killed by police. ISIS has killed 4 Americans since last summer, all of them in ISIS areas (and at least one of them was fighting against ISIS in armed conflict). It could be higher than 4 by now (article was from February).  28 times as many victims in 1/12 the time....well, shows a kill rate of 336 to 1 (cops over ISIS).

Yeah, I'm clearly crazy thinking COPS are a bigger threat to Americans.....

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/american-cops-killed-people-month-march-uk-entire-20th-century/

http://www.syracuse.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/02/kayla_mueller_marks_fourth_american_killed_by_isis.html

You should be worried more about cars and heart disease, than cops. Better yet, you should be worried more about citizens killing other citizens before cops.
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Re: ISIS
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2015, 02:53:54 PM »
you know that list they are using for that 111 number includes them actually shooting dangerous criminals right?  it's not just a list of vigilante cops, in many cases if you go to the link and read the stories it is them responding to Armed and dangerous individuals.

i'm not even a cop and if I was faced with an armed and dangerous individual and I was carrying (which I do on occasion) I'd be shooting as well.  why shouldn't they protect their own lives?
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