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10 undefeated national champs?
« on: February 13, 2017, 11:29:13 PM »
When's the last time all 10 national champs finished undefeated?  I'm not saying it'll happen this year, but it is as likely as any other scenario.

285: Snyder is a lock.
197: Cox is a lock. 
184: If Dean isn't a lock, then only Nickal will beat him, and either guy could finish undefeated. 
174: With BoJo's lingering injury, I don't see him finishing undefeated, but who can stop Zahid?  Mark Hall might upset the 10 undefeated champ scenario.
165: IMar a lock
157: Nolf a lock
149: Sorensen is the only one who could potentially spoil a Retherford perfect season, and that most likely isn't going to happen.
141: Will anybody stop Heil from becoming the worst 3x national champion of all time?
133: Clark would have ran the table here, but with his injury I don't see anyone taking out Tomasello.
125:  Gilman was one of the surest things at the beginning of the year, but everyone will be out to Lizak him come tourney time.

Any oddsmakers out there?
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Re: 10 undefeated national champs?
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2017, 07:44:10 AM »

141: Will anybody stop Heil from becoming the worst 3x national champion of all time?


Even though Heil is a 2Xer, 141 remains the most competitve.

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Re: 10 undefeated national champs?
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2017, 07:52:39 AM »
If you were handicapping the weights for most likely to end up with an undefeated champ - I think 174 would be the longest odds - followed by 141.

If Heil wins out, he would be a 2X champ as a Junior right?
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Re: 10 undefeated national champs?
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2017, 12:21:57 PM »
Heil will be a 2x champ if he wins out this year.

174-141-125-133-184-165-149-157-197-285

That'd be my order of confidence from least likely to most likely to win out. I'd be most shocked if Snyder or Cox were to lose.

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Re: 10 undefeated national champs?
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2017, 02:19:46 PM »
Wouldnt shock me at all if Cox lost.
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Re: 10 undefeated national champs?
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2017, 02:23:55 PM »
174, 133, 125, 141, 149, 165, 197, 184, 157, 285
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Re: 10 undefeated national champs?
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2017, 03:45:31 PM »
Wouldnt shock me at all if Cox lost.

Who can beat him? IIRC his last loss was on criteria in the Olympics. His last loss to an American was Dake.

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Re: 10 undefeated national champs?
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2017, 04:16:48 PM »
Wouldnt shock me at all if Cox lost.

Who can beat him? IIRC his last loss was on criteria in the Olympics. His last loss to an American was Dake.

That match with Pfarr at Scuffle was very close and the last scramble nearly went Pfarr's way.  Ifs and buts and all that, but I think Pfarr has a legitimate chance.  I see him as much more likely to lose than Nolf and probably more likely than IMar.

174, 141, 125, 133, 149, 197, 165, 285, 157

I think Heil is going to win, but there are a lot of guys capable of knocking him off.  I can't say the same of Gilman or NaTo.

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Re: 10 undefeated national champs?
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2017, 07:34:39 PM »
If you were handicapping the weights for most likely to end up with an undefeated champ - I think 174 would be the longest odds - followed by 141.

If Heil wins out, he would be a 2X champ as a Junior right?

Yep, so someone has to step up to stop him from winning 3.  I just don't see "Heil" going on a list with guys like McIlravy, Brands, Abas, Ruth, Banach, Schultz....
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Re: 10 undefeated national champs?
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2017, 01:20:28 AM »
If Heil doesn't belong on that list, he won't make it there.
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Re: 10 undefeated national champs?
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2017, 03:32:06 PM »
Wouldnt shock me at all if Cox lost.

Who can beat him? IIRC his last loss was on criteria in the Olympics. His last loss to an American was Dake.

That match with Pfarr at Scuffle was very close and the last scramble nearly went Pfarr's way.  Ifs and buts and all that, but I think Pfarr has a legitimate chance.  I see him as much more likely to lose than Nolf and probably more likely than IMar.

174, 141, 125, 133, 149, 197, 165, 285, 157

I think Heil is going to win, but there are a lot of guys capable of knocking him off.  I can't say the same of Gilman or NaTo.
184?
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Re: 10 undefeated national champs?
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2017, 05:34:21 PM »
Wouldnt shock me at all if Cox lost.

Who can beat him? IIRC his last loss was on criteria in the Olympics. His last loss to an American was Dake.

That match with Pfarr at Scuffle was very close and the last scramble nearly went Pfarr's way.  Ifs and buts and all that, but I think Pfarr has a legitimate chance.  I see him as much more likely to lose than Nolf and probably more likely than IMar.

174, 141, 125, 133, 149, 197, 165, 285, 157

I think Heil is going to win, but there are a lot of guys capable of knocking him off.  I can't say the same of Gilman or NaTo.
184?

Ha! Whoops.  184 might be the biggest lock of all because both Nickal and Dean would probably have to get hurt for there not to be an undefeated champ.

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Re: 10 undefeated national champs?
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2017, 06:10:38 PM »
Hey isn't downey undefeated as well?
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Re: 10 undefeated national champs?
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2017, 08:06:33 PM »
The fact of the matter is that Heil seems to be deeply frightened of higher numbers. Now I agree that double digits are a strange and confusing matter. I for one refuse to count on my toes and I am sure Heil shares similar misgivings that said. Heil is the rested team single digit wrestler in recent history. The young man knows what he is good at and it's keeping the score below those strange and unnatural double digits.
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Re: 10 undefeated national champs?
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2017, 11:18:49 PM »
The fact of the matter is that Heil seems to be deeply frightened of higher numbers. Now I agree that double digits are a strange and confusing matter. I for one refuse to count on my toes and I am sure Heil shares similar misgivings that said. Heil is the rested team single digit wrestler in recent history. The young man knows what he is good at and it's keeping the score below those strange and unnatural double digits.

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