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Wrestling records that may never be broken
« on: November 15, 2017, 10:47:59 AM »
Al Sears wrestled D11 from 1981-1985.  While SIUE is now D1, mixing his pin record into D1 records muddies the waters.  Also, SIUE lists his pin record as 112: http://www.siuecougars.com/sports/m-wrestl/archive/general
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Re: Wrestling records that may never be broken
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2017, 12:20:44 PM »
And Wade Schalles was part of the "college division" back in the day, meaning Mean Gene was the only one with a strictly Division I schedule with that many falls. However, the water is always muddied when you consider Alex's research shows Sears had a lot more Division I competition than the normal D2 team would.

Anything prior to the full creation of Division I would have "muddy waters"
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Re: Wrestling records that may never be broken
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2017, 12:52:10 PM »
Undefeated in college + 4X Outstanding Wrestler at the NCAA.

I seriously I will ever see that again.
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Re: Wrestling records that may never be broken
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2017, 02:03:15 PM »
Gray Simons, four-time NAIA champion, three-time NCAA champion, six time OW.

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Re: Wrestling records that may never be broken
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2017, 08:32:43 PM »
Al Sears wrestled D11 from 1981-1985.  While SIUE is now D1, mixing his pin record into D1 records muddies the waters.  Also, SIUE lists his pin record as 112: http://www.siuecougars.com/sports/m-wrestl/archive/general

As JB indicated, there really is no perfect answer here.  Mills doesn't have 107 and I have no idea how many he really has. Schalles might have 106, but he was DII. Sears was DII. Both Schalles and Sears wrestled more of a DI schedule than some DI guys who you could put high on the list.  Wrestling records are what they are.  Everyone's answer will be a little different.  That is why the single-season pin record isn't on the list.  It is at least 40, Chris Taylor might have 44, but it isn't clear.  I'm assuming that would be the record, but who knows? God help you if you want to figure out what the record is for most pins against DI competition in a year or in a career.

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Re: Wrestling records that may never be broken
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2017, 10:29:02 PM »
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Re: Wrestling records that may never be broken
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2017, 09:06:16 AM »
I agree that all wrestling records are muddy, with no clear consensus.
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Re: Wrestling records that may never be broken
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2017, 03:10:38 PM »
I agree that all wrestling records are muddy, with no clear consensus.


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Re: Wrestling records that may never be broken
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2017, 04:13:07 PM »
I enjoyed all the ones that Alex dug up for the article and my small contribution to it
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Re: Wrestling records that may never be broken
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2017, 11:03:09 PM »
FWIW -    article states Ashnault could break the record for most NCAA tournament losses and currently has 8.  You are counting a med forfeit in 2015 which is not a loss against one record.  In the books, he has 7.  Alas, he can only tie the record.  :)

Also 25 Big Ten championships is unbeatable may be short sighted....think 100 years out, even if Iowa wins one of two more.   ;) 

On the other hand, Iowa's 21 consecutive conference championships.....now that may be unbeatable even if Oklahoma State has the best shot in a weak B12.

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Re: Wrestling records that may never be broken
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2017, 09:35:49 AM »
FWIW -    article states Ashnault could break the record for most NCAA tournament losses and currently has 8.  You are counting a med forfeit in 2015 which is not a loss against one record.  In the books, he has 7.  Alas, he can only tie the record.  :)

Also 25 Big Ten championships is unbeatable may be short sighted....think 100 years out, even if Iowa wins one of two more.   ;) 

On the other hand, Iowa's 21 consecutive conference championships.....now that may be unbeatable even if Oklahoma State has the best shot in a weak B12.

If Ashnault has a MFF, he can't even tie the record. No one can lose four times in a year.

The record of 25 Big Ten titles for Iowa were all in a row, they have something like 35 overall.

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Re: Wrestling records that may never be broken
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2017, 10:51:58 AM »
I enjoyed all the ones that Alex dug up for the article and my small contribution to it

I agree, they are not only informative but fun to read.
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Re: Wrestling records that may never be broken
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2017, 08:50:47 AM »

If Ashnault has a MFF, he can't even tie the record. No one can lose four times in a year.


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